If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the quote, "If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts," which is popularly attributed to Albert Einstein. Participants explore the meaning, authenticity, and implications of the quote, questioning its origins and relevance in scientific discourse.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the quote's meaning and its attribution to Einstein.
  • Others argue that the quote may not reflect Einstein's views, suggesting it sounds more like a joke or sarcasm.
  • A few participants propose that the quote could imply a call to observe and revise theories based on new evidence rather than literally changing facts.
  • Some mention that the quote has been used in contexts of scientific fraud, indicating a potential misuse of the phrase.
  • There is a reference to a similar quote by John Maynard Keynes, which suggests a contrasting approach to changing facts and theories.
  • Participants note the lack of credible sources confirming Einstein's authorship of the quote, with some citing searches in the official Einstein Archives.
  • One participant mentions a valid interpretation of the quote regarding the subjective nature of facts and the processing of sensory data.
  • Several posts highlight the irony of misattributing the quote to Einstein, with references to other misattributed quotes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the authenticity of the quote or its meaning. Multiple competing views remain regarding its interpretation and attribution.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the quote's origin, with participants noting the absence of a definitive source and the potential for misattribution. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and assumptions about the nature of facts and theories in science.

  • #31
I would guess off the top of my head he meant something like.

I have come up with a new Theory.

However, all the facts as we know them currently, or have observed through testing do not support my theory.

So therefore, I must come up with new experiments that will be able to be observed to fir the theory's framework.


Is that not afterall how Theory and scientific knowledge advances. We propose hypothesis and then test them and sometimes they challenge the current body of scientific knowledge?
 
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  • #32
Hurkyl said:
Just for fun, I would like to point out there is a valid interpretation of the quote.

Many (most? all?) facts about the physical world are synthetic -- raw sensory data gets processed1 by the nervous system, and then reprocessed by our understanding of the physical world. For example, take the rather innocuous statement "the sun rose last morning" takes for granted things like the existence of the 'sun' as an object, a duration of 'time' called 'morning', a quality of 'motion' that can be called 'rising', the reliability of our methods for making that observation...

Sometimes, when synthesizing a fact, we presume too much...



1: And, of course, even this statement makes a lot of presumptions

To maintain scientific rigor, more appropriate than saying to change the facts would be to say to reexamine the facts...and in particular, the data collection methods. Indeed, sometimes unintentional bias gets included in the design or interpretation of an experiment, and when the results are what were expected at a particular time, nobody may question whether the instrument was actually working right that day.
 

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