If the higgs boson is discovered, what are the implications

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The discussion centers on the potential implications and applications of discovering the Higgs boson particle, exploring whether such a discovery could lead to new technologies or inventions. The scope includes theoretical considerations and reflections on the nature of fundamental research.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the potential applications of discovering the Higgs boson, suggesting that there may be none.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty but implies that there could be applications worth considering.
  • A different viewpoint argues that while the particles themselves may not lead to new technologies, the advancements in machines and computational techniques developed for research could be significant, citing the World Wide Web's origins at CERN.
  • One participant reflects on historical skepticism from prominent scientists regarding the relevance of fundamental research, suggesting that breakthroughs often arise unexpectedly from such inquiries.
  • This participant also emphasizes that justifying the societal use of fundamental research is challenging, arguing that it is essential for real progress and understanding of the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the potential applications of discovering the Higgs boson, with some asserting that there are no direct applications while others argue for the importance of fundamental research in driving technological advancement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific implications of the Higgs boson discovery.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the direct applicability of fundamental research findings to technology and the historical context of scientific skepticism. The scope of the implications of discovering the Higgs boson is not fully explored.

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If the higgs boson particle is discovered, what are some of the applicatons that might be found for the information they find out ( new technology that might evolve, inventions ect.)
 
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non i guess.
 
I guess so
 
jamus, what applications can you think of?

Have we seen any applications of CP-symmetry breaking, tau neutrino etc? No.

The particles themself are not belived to give new technology or inventions, but the machines and computer techniques is promising. Remember that world wide web came from CERN...
 
When Yang first presented his work with Mills on non-abelian gauge theories, at Princeton, Pauli was there and had strong doubts about the relevance of their work. He was convinced that the vector bosons must remain massless. See for instance the references in this proceeding[/color]. Even (the most brillant) scientists are often wrong on "what to do next" in fundamental research.

Where does every medical imaging device come from ?

What do you think Planck would have answered to "What will be the use of you studying the spectrum of heat emitted by a oven ?" ? Yet, without quantum mechanics, it is unlikely that there would be any decent computer, and in fact any decent transistor at all (you know, this small electronical component pretty much everywhere around you).

What do you think Fourier would have answered to the question "What is the use of studying the propagation of heat with undefined mathematical formulae ?" ?

There is no way to justify fundamental research use to society. This is simply too unfair. One could keep making such lists for ever. Without fundamental research there is pretty much no real progress. Understanding what is "out there" lies at the heart of what makes us human.

IMHO, a serious discussion about this does not belong to this thread, but to the philosophy thread.
 

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