If the pedal crank arm length of a bicycle increases....

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the effects of varying crank arm lengths on bicycle performance, specifically regarding torque, force application, and pedaling efficiency. Participants explore theoretical implications, personal experiences, and the relationship between crank length and rider biomechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that longer crank arms can produce more torque when the same force is applied, while others argue that shorter cranks may require more force for equivalent torque.
  • There is a suggestion that using a smaller gear with shorter cranks can offset the increased force required, but this leads to a debate about the implications for speed and efficiency.
  • One participant argues that while RPM may be lower with longer cranks, the leg speed could be higher due to the longer distance traveled per rotation, which complicates the assessment of speed.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes the importance of individual cyclist geometry, suggesting that optimal crank length may vary based on personal body proportions and muscle fiber action.
  • Some participants express frustration over the lack of clear information regarding crank length and its impact on performance, seeking a deeper mechanical understanding.
  • There is a call for clarification on the definitions of torque and force, with one participant noting that Nm is not a force and emphasizing the need for precise language in discussing physics.
  • Concerns are raised about the oversimplification of the relationship between crank length and performance, with one participant arguing that excluding rider characteristics limits the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the effects of crank length on performance, with no consensus reached on the optimal crank length or the implications of different lengths for torque and efficiency.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of factors influencing cycling performance, including rider biomechanics, gear selection, and the interplay between force and torque. There is acknowledgment of the limitations in current understanding and the need for more nuanced discussions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to cyclists, bike fitters, sports scientists, and anyone exploring the mechanical aspects of cycling performance and the implications of crank arm length.

  • #31
jdavis417 said:
Physics is about "moments", right?
At every given moment, the longer crankarm will produce more torque with a lower force input.
A little physics humor? :smile:
 
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  • #32
berkeman said:
A little physics humor? :smile:
I DID intend humor, although, upon re-reading it seems kinda harsh. Sorry 'bout that! ;)
 
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