Peter 99
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If there is a big crunch will space collapse with the matter?
The discussion centers on the concept of space in relation to the Big Crunch theory and its properties under extreme conditions. Participants explore the analogy of space as a balloon that expands with matter, questioning whether space can collapse or if it is merely altered by mass and energy. The conversation highlights the complexities of General Relativity and its implications for understanding spacetime behavior. Ultimately, the consensus is that while space can be influenced by mass, the notion of it collapsing remains ambiguous.
PREREQUISITESAstronomers, physicists, cosmologists, and anyone interested in the fundamental properties of space and the universe's fate.
Drakkith said:It's difficult to talk about 'space itself'. Other than being 'bent' by mass, energy, and stress, space doesn't seem to have any properties that could collapse. It would certainly be heavily altered by the presence of extreme amounts of mass in a small volume, but I don't know I'd go so far to say that 'space collapses'.
If I understand the standard big bang theory correctly, space is like a balloon and is taking the clumps of matter along for the ride as it is expanding, so to initiate a big crunch would space have to start collapsing, or would matter start collapsing, in effect the air would be let out of the balloon? But, what is more interesting to me is how, by what physical means does space latch onto clumps of matter, how does space become a balloon?Drakkith said:It's difficult to talk about 'space itself'. Other than being 'bent' by mass, energy, and stress, space doesn't seem to have any properties that could collapse. It would certainly be heavily altered by the presence of extreme amounts of mass in a small volume, but I don't know I'd go so far to say that 'space collapses'.
bahamagreen said:If space can expand, how couldn't it collapse...?
Peter 99 said:If I understand the standard big bang theory correctly, space is like a balloon and is taking the clumps of matter along for the ride as it is expanding, so to initiate a big crunch would space have to start collapsing, or would matter start collapsing, in effect the air would be let out of the balloon? But, what is more interesting to me is how, by what physical means does space latch onto clumps of matter, how does space become a balloon?