If we fix one end of a spring and apply some force on the free end

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of springs under applied forces, specifically addressing why springs, even those made of metals like gold, may not return to their original shape after deformation. The subject area includes material science and the principles of elasticity as described by Hooke's law.

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  • Participants explore the ductility of springs and the effects of material composition, questioning whether the presence of alloys affects their behavior. They also discuss the atomic interactions involved in the deformation and recovery of springs when forces are applied and removed.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the factors affecting the yield point and elastic limit of materials. Some have offered explanations related to atomic interactions, while others suggest that macroscopic effects also play a significant role. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the topic, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Participants note that heat treatment and other factors may influence material properties, suggesting that the discussion is considering both atomic-scale and macroscopic effects in the context of spring behavior.

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If we fix one end of a spring and apply some force on the free end,the spring will elongate.If we remove the force,the spring will return to its original length(assume that Hooke's law is obeyed).
Metals are usually ductile due to their metallic bonds.In metallic bonds valence shell electrons are delocalized and shared between many atoms. The delocalized electrons allow metal atoms to slide past one another without being subjected to strong repulsive forces that would cause other materials to shatter.
So,my question is:
1)Why the spring is not ductile,consider a spring which is made of gold,
even if you pull it with a small force,it will deform and it will not return its initial structure.
Is it because the spring is not made by pure metal?Is it made by some alloys or
any other substances?
2)Why does a spring return to its original structure when the force is removed?
What's happened between the inter-atomic bondings?

Thx a lot :)

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1)Why the spring is not ductile,consider a spring which is made of gold,
even if you pull it with a small force,it will deform and it will not return its initial structure.
Is it because the spring is not made by pure metal?Is it made by some alloys or
any other substances?
If the substance is not ductile, then small forces will rearrange it's constituents.
Something like rubber consists of strands of polymer which slide against each other when you pull on it. There are other effects, like pulling on the "spring" heats it up which can help constituents change configuration. You should be able to extrapolate this for soft metals like gold even where there are no impurities present (so there is only one type of atom present).

2)Why does a spring return to its original structure when the force is removed?
What's happened between the inter-atomic bondings?
When a good spring is pulled, the inter-atomic bonds stretch. When you release the spring, the inter-atomic bonds return to their previous mean length. This is an electromagnetic interaction: the atoms have a preferred configuration that minimizes the energy - they will stay close to that configuration unless forced to do something else - remove the force and back they go.
 


I think quite a lot of things can effect the yield point or Elastic limit of a material. Heat treatment for example (so can't be all down to atomic scale effects?). Not really my field.
 


My understanding is that it is, indeed, not all down to atomic-scale effects.

eg. a car door is pretty springy and made of metal but you can also put a dent in it.
The mechanism that gets the dent is not as straight forward as the simple model that OP is contemplating would suggest ... the dent is a macroscopic effect but there is also an atomic-level deformation around the edges of the dent which you'll see even after the dent has been "popped" out. Here the metal is no longer as nice-a crystal as before.
(And I am over-simplifying as usual...)

It's actually quite a big subject. Beginning descriptions for how classroom springs work tend to sound like what the question is talking about so the atomic/molecular-scale effects provide a common starting point for understanding these things.

Hopefully I'll get a better idea of where OP is coming from with more conversation.
Merry Xmas :)
 

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