If you were to empty a full tank 16 gallon tank of fuel, how

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The discussion revolves around the emissions produced from burning a full 16-gallon tank of gasoline, specifically focusing on the volume of greenhouse gases like CO2 and H2O generated. Participants explore the conversion of liquid fuel to gas, the calculations involved, and the implications of these emissions in a conceptual framework.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the volume of CO2 and other greenhouse gases emitted from a full tank of gasoline, seeking a way to visualize these emissions.
  • Another participant provides a calculation method for determining the volume of CO2 produced from gasoline, using specific weights and densities.
  • A different participant explains that all gasoline will convert to CO2 and H2O during combustion, referencing the combustion reaction of octane to illustrate the conversion process.
  • Concerns are raised about the applicability of the ideal gas law for calculating gas volumes, with one participant suggesting that it is only suitable for monatomic gases and may not be accurate for more complex molecules like CO2 and H2O.
  • Another participant counters that the ideal gas law can still be reasonably applied at low densities and pressures, even for complex molecules.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for further input from the original poster (OP) to continue the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the ideal gas law for calculating gas volumes, indicating a lack of consensus on this aspect of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on specific assumptions regarding gas behavior and conditions, and there are unresolved details regarding the conversion of liquid fuel to gas and the resulting volumes.

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I am kind of wondering how much for example CO2 you would put out or other greenhouse gases would be emitted everytime i use a full tank of gas. It would help me if you could explain it in volume, like how much it would take to contain the emissions on its own, and how much it would take to contain the emissions if it were to be compressed. I want to be able to imagine a sort of smoke bubble around my car representing how much gases i emitted into the atmosphere.

I think one of the real questions is how would I find out how the liquid would convert to a gas and how that would change the proportional container volume.
 
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You get w=19.64lbs CO2 per gallon and it has a density d of 0.12 lbs/cf (at room temp) and there are k=0.133 cf/gal ...
So X gal of gasolene turns into V=Xw/(kd) gallons of CO2.
 
tyvus said:
I am kind of wondering how much for example CO2 you would put out or other greenhouse gases would be emitted everytime i use a full tank of gas.
All of your gas will be converted to CO2 and water*. They are both greenhouse gases, so your entire tank will be converted to greenhouse gases.

To compute how much volume an amount of gas occupies, use the ideal gas law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molar_volume
To compute how much CO2 and H2O you get from burning gasoline, you can use the combustion reaction of octane:
2 C8H18 + 25 O2 → 16 CO2 + 18 H2O
So 1 mole of octane produces 8 moles of CO2

so: convert mass of fuel into moles of fuel, multiply by 8 to get moles of CO2, then multiply by molar volume to find volume of gaseous CO2.

*There will be small amounts of CO, NO and other stuff, but it is negligible compared to CO2 and H2O
 
To compute how much volume an amount of gas occupies, use the ideal gas law...
Ideal gas law is only good for monatomic gases. It can be adjusted for di-atomic gasses via equipartition of energy but when you get complicated bendy molecules like H2O and CO2 it gets trickier - best to just look up the densities in a table.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Ideal gas law is only good for monatomic gases. It can be adjusted for di-atomic gasses via equipartition of energy but when you get complicated bendy molecules like H2O and CO2 it gets trickier - best to just look up the densities in a table.

For these purposes, at reasonably low density and pressure, ideal gas works fairly well, even for complicated molecules.
 
Be that as it may, we need to hear back from OP.
 

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