I Ignoring boundary term in the action

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Ignoring the boundary term in the action is appropriate only for manifolds that are both compact and without boundary, as stated in the discussion. The application of Stokes' theorem indicates that the integral vanishes if the manifold has no boundary, but it must also be compact for the theorem to hold. In general relativity, most useful spacetimes are non-compact and without boundary, such as Minkowski spacetime, which requires the inclusion of the Gibbons-Hawking boundary term to derive the Einstein field equations correctly. The conversation also highlights that the choice of manifold type affects the resulting equations and solutions, emphasizing the importance of understanding the topology involved. Ultimately, the discussion underscores the need to carefully consider boundary conditions in the variational principle applied to the action in general relativity.
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What I mean is, "let the natural coordinates --just the label of the points of ##\mathbb{R}^2 \times \mathbb{S}^2##-- be ##(t,r, \theta, \phi)##. Now, let's consider a metric space, namely ##\mathbb{R}^4## with its usual metric."
 
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davidge said:
What I mean is, let the natural coordinates --just label of the points of ##\mathbb{R}^2 \times \mathbb{S}^2##-- be ##(t,r, \theta, \phi)##. Now, let's consider a metric space, namely ##\mathbb{R}^4## with its usual metric.

Why do you want to do this? It makes no sense.

Also, you still haven't understood: you need to understand the properties of a topological space without using any embedding of that space in another space.

I'm sorry, but I don't see the point of continuing to repeat the same advice and have a discussion if you continue to ignore that advice.
 
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The OP question in this thread has been answered, and the thread is closed. @davidge if you want to ask questions about the topological concept of a manifold with boundary, you can do that in the appropriate math forum; but please take the time to work through a textbook first.
 

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