I'm looking for some cold propulsion possibilities

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the exploration of propulsion possibilities for a new wing suit design that integrates soaring with jet pack technology. Participants consider various propulsion methods, including ion thrusters and charged substances, while addressing the challenges of thrust and practicality for low-altitude flight.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a wing suit that combines soaring with jet pack propulsion, expressing concerns about the limitations of compressed gas for sustained thrust.
  • Another participant references ion thrusters, suggesting they may be relevant to the discussion.
  • It is noted that the current technology of ion thrusters may not provide sufficient thrust for low-altitude sustained flight with a payload of 200 lbs.
  • A participant highlights the impracticality of storing charge for propulsion and emphasizes the need to consider thrust-to-weight ratios for suitable technology.
  • There is a suggestion that a more practical approach might resemble the technology used by Yves Rossy, known as Jet Man.
  • Concerns are raised about the limited lift provided by wingsuits, which may not be adequate for long-distance travel.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of various propulsion methods, with no consensus reached on the most practical approach for the proposed wing suit design.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of current propulsion technologies, including thrust levels and storage challenges, without resolving these issues or establishing definitive solutions.

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Individuals interested in aerospace engineering, propulsion technologies, and innovative personal flight solutions may find this discussion relevant.

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I am coming up with a new wing suit that combines soaring with jet pack propulsion in such a way that even valley dwellers can fly, and possibly commute in this fassion. I fear compressed gas alone will not have enough thrust for long enough.
One concept to think of is to charge a liquid/gas substance negatively, and have the repulsion of the electrons become propulsion for the aircraft (person), but how can that charge be contained without shocking the container...?
I am hesitant to try heat based propulsion because there will be no heat protection.
Help would be much appreciated ;)
 
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The thrust of an ion thruster is, I believe at the current state of the technology, far far too low for low altitude sustained flight for a payload of 200 lbs.
 
ShaneGarcia7 said:
I am coming up with a new wing suit that combines soaring with jet pack propulsion in such a way that even valley dwellers can fly, and possibly commute in this fassion. I fear compressed gas alone will not have enough thrust for long enough.
One concept to think of is to charge a liquid/gas substance negatively, and have the repulsion of the electrons become propulsion for the aircraft (person), but how can that charge be contained without shocking the container...?
I am hesitant to try heat based propulsion because there will be no heat protection.
Help would be much appreciated ;)
Compressed gas would require a thick-walled (relatively speaking) storage tank, which would defeat the purpose of propulsion.

It is impractical to storage charge.

Ion thrusters produce low thrust.

One must look at thrust to weight/mass ratios for appropriate technology.

A more practical approach would be along the lines of the Jet Man, Yves Rossy.

A wing suit is usually for gliding, or rather falling more slowly than without a wingsuit. Their is insufficient lift in a wingsuit to make it practical for long distance travel.
 

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