I'm thinking of a conceptual problem how does this work?

In summary, the conversation discusses a hypothetical scenario involving a hollow cube with an unbreakable exterior and a divider of a certain thickness, made of a material with a yield strength of 30ksi. One side of the cube is pressurized while the other side is at atmospheric pressure. The question posed is whether the divider, with a thickness of 1mm, would break under these conditions. The answer is that the governing factor is the shear stress and tensile stress on the membrane, with the area of the membrane also playing a role in determining whether it will break or not. The larger the cube, the greater the load and shear stress on the divider, making it more likely to break.
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Say for example I have a hollow cube with equal length/width on all sides. Let's also assume that the outside walls of this cube is unbreakable / perfect insulator / unable to deform in anyway.

Now let's assume that we put a divider in the middle of the hollow cube of a certain thickness. The property of the divider material has a yield strength of let's say 30ksi.

And now somehow one side of the cube is pressurized to 5ksi and the other side of the divider is 14psi (atmospheric).

So my question is, if the thickness of that divider is 1mm, by intuition even though the pressure is less than the yielding point the divider will break because it's so thin.

So than what is the governing point or equation that introduces the thickness of a divider as a variable?
 
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How large is your cube?
 
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256bits said:
How large is your cube?

lets assume on the outside of the cube its infinitely solid and strong.
inside let's assume... 1ftx1ftx1ft??
How would that matter?
 
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Rupture will depend upon the shear stress on the membrane, and the tensile stress on the membrane.

with regards to shear only,
For the 12-inch cubic, the divider has 144 square inches of area.
The pressure differential is 4986 psi giving a total load on the divider ( 144 in^2 ) of 717,984 pounds.
The membrane has a shear area of 1.92 inches so it would shear off if it it did not rupture from bulging and tensile stress.

Compare that to a 1inch cube where the load on the divider is now only 4986 pounds.
Shear area ( perimeter) is 0.16, so the shear would be 4986/0.16 = 31 ksi. That is getting close to the yield strength, but the membrane would probably shear, and the bulging would be less pronounced.

or a 0.1 cube, area of membrane = 0.001 sq inches, load = 4.986 pounds , shear area = 0.016 sq inch, shear stress = 311 pounds, in this case shear should not occur. Less bulging also.

Area of the membrane does count.
 
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The governing equation that introduces the thickness of the divider as a variable is the equation for stress, which is defined as the force per unit area acting on a material. In this case, the stress on the divider is equal to the pressure difference between the two sides of the cube (5ksi - 14psi = 4.985ksi) divided by the thickness of the divider (1mm = 0.001m). This gives a stress value of 4.985 x 10^6 Pa (Pascals).

In order to determine if the divider will break, we need to compare this stress value to the yield strength of the material. If the stress is greater than the yield strength, then the divider will break. In this case, the yield strength is given as 30ksi, which is equivalent to 2.07 x 10^8 Pa. This means that the stress on the divider is significantly lower than the yield strength, so the divider should not break.

However, it is important to note that this is a simplified analysis and there may be other factors at play, such as the shape and geometry of the divider, that could affect its strength and potential for failure. Additionally, other properties of the material, such as its ductility and toughness, could also impact its ability to withstand the pressure difference. Further analysis and testing may be needed to fully understand the behavior of the divider in this scenario.
 

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