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The discussion revolves around a conceptual problem involving a hollow cube with a divider subjected to different pressures on either side. Participants explore the implications of the divider's thickness and material properties on its structural integrity under pressure, focusing on concepts of yield strength, shear stress, and tensile stress.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario with a hollow cube and a divider, questioning how the thickness of the divider affects its ability to withstand pressure despite the pressure being below the yield strength.
  • Another participant inquires about the size of the cube, suggesting dimensions of 1ft x 1ft x 1ft and questioning the relevance of size in the context of the problem.
  • A third participant discusses the relationship between shear stress and tensile stress on the divider, providing calculations for different cube sizes and their impact on the divider's structural response.
  • Calculations are presented for shear stress based on varying cube dimensions, indicating that the area of the membrane plays a significant role in determining whether the divider will shear or bulge under pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the cube's size and the implications of shear and tensile stresses, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the governing equations or principles involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the assumptions regarding the relationship between pressure, thickness, and yield strength, nor have they established a definitive governing equation for the problem.

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Say for example I have a hollow cube with equal length/width on all sides. Let's also assume that the outside walls of this cube is unbreakable / perfect insulator / unable to deform in anyway.

Now let's assume that we put a divider in the middle of the hollow cube of a certain thickness. The property of the divider material has a yield strength of let's say 30ksi.

And now somehow one side of the cube is pressurized to 5ksi and the other side of the divider is 14psi (atmospheric).

So my question is, if the thickness of that divider is 1mm, by intuition even though the pressure is less than the yielding point the divider will break because it's so thin.

So than what is the governing point or equation that introduces the thickness of a divider as a variable?
 
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How large is your cube?
 
256bits said:
How large is your cube?

lets assume on the outside of the cube its infinitely solid and strong.
inside let's assume... 1ftx1ftx1ft??
How would that matter?
 
Rupture will depend upon the shear stress on the membrane, and the tensile stress on the membrane.

with regards to shear only,
For the 12-inch cubic, the divider has 144 square inches of area.
The pressure differential is 4986 psi giving a total load on the divider ( 144 in^2 ) of 717,984 pounds.
The membrane has a shear area of 1.92 inches so it would shear off if it it did not rupture from bulging and tensile stress.

Compare that to a 1inch cube where the load on the divider is now only 4986 pounds.
Shear area ( perimeter) is 0.16, so the shear would be 4986/0.16 = 31 ksi. That is getting close to the yield strength, but the membrane would probably shear, and the bulging would be less pronounced.

or a 0.1 cube, area of membrane = 0.001 sq inches, load = 4.986 pounds , shear area = 0.016 sq inch, shear stress = 311 pounds, in this case shear should not occur. Less bulging also.

Area of the membrane does count.
 

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