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The discussion revolves around finding all functions \( f(z) \) such that \( \text{Re}(f(z)) + \text{Im}(f(z)) = 0 \). Participants explore various forms of functions that satisfy this condition, including constant functions and more general forms. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of function properties.

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  • Some participants propose that \( f(z) = 0 \) is a solution, but question whether it is the only one.
  • Others argue that functions of the form \( f(z) = a - bi \) work, provided that \( a + b = 0 \), citing \( f(z) = 1 - i \) as an example.
  • One participant suggests that functions like \( f(z) = \text{Re}(z) + \text{Re}(z)i \) and \( f(z) = \text{Im}(z) + \text{Im}(z)i \) also satisfy the condition.
  • Another viewpoint is that the most general form could be \( f(z) = F(z)(1 + i) \), where \( F \) is any real-valued function of \( z \).
  • There is a challenge regarding whether the form should be \( f(z) = F(z)(1 - i) \) instead, due to the requirement that \( \text{Re}(f(z)) = -\text{Im}(f(z)) \).
  • Some participants express curiosity about the vastness of the space of functions that meet the criteria.

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Participants generally present multiple competing views on the forms of functions that satisfy the equation, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the completeness of the solutions.

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Some claims depend on specific definitions of functions and may involve assumptions about the nature of \( F(z) \) and its properties.

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I'm trying to find all functions such that Re(f(z)) + Im(f(z)) = 0, or in other words...

[tex]Re(f(z)) = \left(\frac{1}{2} + \frac{i}{2}\right) f(z)[/tex]

Obviously f(z) = 0 fits this. But is there an analytic way to either prove that this is the only function, or find others?
 
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Char. Limit said:
I'm trying to find all functions such that Re(f(z)) + Im(f(z)) = 0, or in other words...

[tex]Re(f(z)) = \left(\frac{1}{2} + \frac{i}{2}\right) f(z)[/tex]

Obviously f(z) = 0 fits this. But is there an analytic way to either prove that this is the only function, or find others?

There are lots of others; for example, f(z) = 1 - i. In fact, f(z) = a - bi works, provided that a + b = 0.

For f(z) = 1 - i,
Re(f(z)) = 1 and (1/2)(1 + i) f(z) = (1/2)(1 + i)(1 - i) = (1/2)(1 + 1) = 1
 


Char. Limit said:
I'm trying to find all functions such that Re(f(z)) + Im(f(z)) = 0, or in other words...

[tex]Re(f(z)) = \left(\frac{1}{2} + \frac{i}{2}\right) f(z)[/tex]

Obviously f(z) = 0 fits this. But is there an analytic way to either prove that this is the only function, or find others?

Just out of curiosity, why do you want to find such functions? The space of functions in the set would probably be huge.
 


All of Mark44's examples were constant functions but, obviously, such things as
f(z)= Re(z)+ Re(z)i, f(z)= Im(z)+ Im(z)i, or, more generally, f(z)= F(Re(z))(1+ i) or f(z)= F(Im(z))(1+ i), where F is any real valued function of a real variable, would work.

I think the most general form would be f(z)= F(z)(1+ i) where F can be any real valued function of z.
 


Mark44 said:
There are lots of others; for example, f(z) = 1 - i. In fact, f(z) = a - bi works, provided that a + b = 0.

For f(z) = 1 - i,
Re(f(z)) = 1 and (1/2)(1 + i) f(z) = (1/2)(1 + i)(1 - i) = (1/2)(1 + 1) = 1

HallsofIvy said:
All of Mark44's examples were constant functions but, obviously, such things as
f(z)= Re(z)+ Re(z)i, f(z)= Im(z)+ Im(z)i, or, more generally, f(z)= F(Re(z))(1+ i) or f(z)= F(Im(z))(1+ i), where F is any real valued function of a real variable, would work.

I think the most general form would be f(z)= F(z)(1+ i) where F can be any real valued function of z.

Awesome, thanks. You guys are always a great help.

chiro said:
Just out of curiosity, why do you want to find such functions? The space of functions in the set would probably be huge.

I was just curious, I guess. I think of questions like this sometimes.
 


HallsofIvy said:
All of Mark44's examples were constant functions but, obviously, such things as
f(z)= Re(z)+ Re(z)i, f(z)= Im(z)+ Im(z)i, or, more generally, f(z)= F(Re(z))(1+ i) or f(z)= F(Im(z))(1+ i), where F is any real valued function of a real variable, would work.

I think the most general form would be f(z)= F(z)(1+ i) where F can be any real valued function of z.

Don't you mean f(z)=F(z)(1-i), since we want that Re(f(z))=-Im(f(z)). Or am I really saying stupid things right now??
 


I just had a totally unrelated question, and I didn't want to start a new thread for it...

Is it possible for us to decompose a function into two functions, one even and one odd, that are added together? And how would this be done?

Sorry if that isn't clear...
 


Char. Limit said:
I just had a totally unrelated question, and I didn't want to start a new thread for it...

Is it possible for us to decompose a function into two functions, one even and one odd, that are added together? And how would this be done?

Sorry if that isn't clear...

Yes!

[tex]f(x)=\frac{f(x)+f(-x)}{2}+\frac{f(x)-f(-x)}{2}[/tex]

Remember this trick well, you will meet it again in different contexts!
 


micromass said:
Yes!

[tex]f(x)=\frac{f(x)+f(-x)}{2}+\frac{f(x)-f(-x)}{2}[/tex]

Remember this trick well, you will meet it again in different contexts!

Wow, this is useful. I just checked it with the exponential function, and found that what sinh(x) and cosh(x) actually are are the odd and even components of e^x... fascinating!
 
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The same trick can also be used to prove the following:

Show that any matrix A can be written as A=B+C, where B is symmetric and C is anti-symmetric (i.e. [tex]{}^tC=-C[/tex])

Indeed, decompose

[tex]A=\frac{A+{}^tA}{2}+\frac{A-{}^tA}{2}[/tex]

Or, show that any complex matrix A can be written as A=B+iC, where B and C are hermitian.

As you see, the same trick works in a variety of situations :biggrin:
 

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