Image Distance with two concave lenses

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The discussion focuses on calculating the final image location formed by a system of two lenses: a convex lens with a focal length of 50 cm and a concave lens with a focal length of 20 cm. The object is placed 100 cm in front of the convex lens. The initial calculations reveal an image distance of +100 cm for the convex lens, indicating a real image. However, this image acts as a virtual object for the concave lens, requiring careful consideration of distances and signs in the thin-lens equation. The final image location is determined by correctly applying the lens formula and accounting for the virtual object created by the first lens.

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  • Understanding of the thin-lens equation: (1/s) + (1/s') = 1/f
  • Knowledge of object and image distances in lens systems
  • Familiarity with the concepts of real and virtual images
  • Ability to apply sign conventions in optics
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  • Study the application of the thin-lens equation in multi-lens systems
  • Learn about sign conventions in optics, particularly for virtual objects
  • Explore the behavior of light rays through concave and convex lenses
  • Practice problems involving combined lens systems to reinforce understanding
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Homework Statement


An object 1.25 cm tall is placed 100 cm in front of a convex lens with a focal length of magnitude 50 cm. A concave lens with a focal length of magnitude 20 cm is placed 90 cm beyond the first lens. Where is the final image located?

Homework Equations


(1/s)+(1/s')=1/f
s= object distance from lens
s'= image distance from lens
f= focal length

The Attempt at a Solution


I wasn't sure where to start so I tried find the image distance for the first lens.
(1/100cm)+(1/s')=(1/50cm) => (1/100cm)-(1/50cm)=(-1/100cm)=(1/s') => s'= -100

After this i got stuck because I wasn't sure what to do when the image distance is behind the second lens.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Jende said:

Homework Statement


An object 1.25 cm tall is placed 100 cm in front of a convex lens with a focal length of magnitude 50 cm. A concave lens with a focal length of magnitude 20 cm is placed 90 cm beyond the first lens. Where is the final image located?

Homework Equations


(1/s)+(1/s')=1/f
s= object distance from lens
s'= image distance from lens
f= focal length

The Attempt at a Solution


I wasn't sure where to start so I tried find the image distance for the first lens.
(1/100cm)+(1/s')=(1/50cm) => (1/100cm)-(1/50cm)=(-1/100cm)=(-1/s') => s'= +100
You have sign errors here.
Jende said:
After this i got stuck because I wasn't sure what to do when the image distance is behind the second lens.

Thanks in advance.
Take the object distance negative.
 
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The image formed by the first lens acts as the object for the second lens. However, when you apply the thin-lens equation for the second lens you'll need to make sure that the object distance is the distance measured from the second lens, which you can do by taking into account the distance between the two lenses.

Be careful of the signs. As ehild says, you have an error in your first calculation.
 
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Being behind he second lens this image is then a virtual object for the second lens. The light rays are still entering the second lens, but they seem to originate from a object located on the "wrong" side of the lens. The rays will therefore not form the object and is thus a virtual object for the second lens.
 
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Ok thanks a lot. This was giving me a lot of frustration.
 

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