Image Distance with two concave lenses

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving two lenses: a convex lens and a concave lens. The original poster is tasked with determining the location of the final image formed by these lenses, given specific measurements for object height and lens focal lengths.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the thin-lens equation to find image distances for both lenses. There are attempts to calculate the image distance for the first lens, with some confusion regarding sign conventions and the implications of virtual objects for the second lens.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance on how to approach the calculations and emphasizing the importance of sign conventions. There is recognition of errors in initial calculations, and suggestions are made to clarify the object distance for the second lens based on the position of the first image.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential sign errors in calculations and the need to consider the distance between the two lenses when determining object distances. The original poster expresses frustration, indicating the complexity of the problem.

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Homework Statement


An object 1.25 cm tall is placed 100 cm in front of a convex lens with a focal length of magnitude 50 cm. A concave lens with a focal length of magnitude 20 cm is placed 90 cm beyond the first lens. Where is the final image located?

Homework Equations


(1/s)+(1/s')=1/f
s= object distance from lens
s'= image distance from lens
f= focal length

The Attempt at a Solution


I wasn't sure where to start so I tried find the image distance for the first lens.
(1/100cm)+(1/s')=(1/50cm) => (1/100cm)-(1/50cm)=(-1/100cm)=(1/s') => s'= -100

After this i got stuck because I wasn't sure what to do when the image distance is behind the second lens.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Jende said:

Homework Statement


An object 1.25 cm tall is placed 100 cm in front of a convex lens with a focal length of magnitude 50 cm. A concave lens with a focal length of magnitude 20 cm is placed 90 cm beyond the first lens. Where is the final image located?

Homework Equations


(1/s)+(1/s')=1/f
s= object distance from lens
s'= image distance from lens
f= focal length

The Attempt at a Solution


I wasn't sure where to start so I tried find the image distance for the first lens.
(1/100cm)+(1/s')=(1/50cm) => (1/100cm)-(1/50cm)=(-1/100cm)=(-1/s') => s'= +100
You have sign errors here.
Jende said:
After this i got stuck because I wasn't sure what to do when the image distance is behind the second lens.

Thanks in advance.
Take the object distance negative.
 
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The image formed by the first lens acts as the object for the second lens. However, when you apply the thin-lens equation for the second lens you'll need to make sure that the object distance is the distance measured from the second lens, which you can do by taking into account the distance between the two lenses.

Be careful of the signs. As ehild says, you have an error in your first calculation.
 
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Being behind he second lens this image is then a virtual object for the second lens. The light rays are still entering the second lens, but they seem to originate from a object located on the "wrong" side of the lens. The rays will therefore not form the object and is thus a virtual object for the second lens.
 
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Ok thanks a lot. This was giving me a lot of frustration.
 

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