Impact force from rotating object?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the impact force of a rotating cutter blade that may separate from its assembly and strike an inspection window. Participants explore the necessary calculations involving linear speed, acceleration, and force, as well as considerations of material properties and impact dynamics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the linear speed of the cutter blade at approximately 36 m/s upon separation, based on its rotation speed of 3000 rpm and radius of 115 mm.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in calculating linear velocity, noting that the angular velocity should be converted from rotations per minute to radians per second.
  • A participant acknowledges the error in their initial calculation and expresses uncertainty about how to derive the impact force from linear speed, indicating the need for acceleration.
  • Discussion includes the need to estimate how rapidly the blade decelerates upon impact with the window to determine acceleration.
  • One participant suggests using kinetic energy and momentum principles to analyze the impact, mentioning the coefficient of restitution and the significance of material properties.
  • Considerations about the impact area and orientation of the object during impact are raised, highlighting the complexity of estimating stress on the window material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty and disagreement regarding the calculations and methodologies for determining impact force, with no consensus reached on the correct approach or final values.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved mathematical steps related to the conversion of angular velocity and the estimation of deceleration time, as well as the subjective nature of determining impact area.

GuyTom
Hi,

Please could someone help me with the following, I have a rotating cutter and I need to calculate the impact force on an inspection window if one of the cutter blades was to separate from the main assembly.

The cutter is spinning at 3000rpm
The cutter radius is 115mm (rotating radius)
The distance from the cutter position and the inspection window is 135mm
The weight of the cutter section coming away from the main assembly is 0.240kg

I have calculated that the linear speed of the cutter blade would be approx. 36m/s once it breaks off...

Any help is gratefully recieved.
 
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You might have made an error when finding the linear velocity. I assume you multiplied the angular velocity by radius; the problem is the angular velocity is in rotations per minute and not radians per minute.
 
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person123 said:
You might have made an error when finding the linear velocity. I assume you multiplied the angular velocity by radius; the problem is the angular velocity is in rotations per minute and not radians per minute.

thats corrct I did multiply by 314 radian/ sec rather than 3000rpm, its just initially when i did the calc (0.115m radius x 3000rpm) the answer of 345m/s seemed high to me.

Also to get a force from this I need an acceleration (F = M x A) and this gives me only the linear speed. How do I achieve the force?

Thanks again for any help.
 
GuyTom said:
Also to get a force from this I need an acceleration (F = M x A) and this gives me only the linear speed. How do I achieve the force?

In this case, the acceleration would be how rapidly the blade gets slowed down when striking the window. Unfortunately, this is where I can no longer help you, so you're going to have to wait for somebody who knows about the material properties.
 
person123 said:
In this case, the acceleration would be how rapidly the blade gets slowed down when striking the window. Unfortunately, this is where I can no longer help you, so you're going to have to wait for somebody who knows about the material properties.

No problem, you have been a great help. thank you.
 
A couple of approaches to consider. Unfortunately not really my area so I can't remember all of the details about momentum & impact. A good mechanical engineering dynamicist could help.

Kinetic Energy KE = (1/2) * (mass) * (velocity)^^2
Material must be able to survive point energy > than KE.
Change in momentum is significant here.
Coefficient of restitution (elastic nature of object-target materials interaction & "bounce effects") is significant here.
Or...conduct a series of simple impact experiments.

F = M * A.
A ~ (change in velocity) / (change in time).
(change in velocity) = your max calculated velocity - 0 (ending velocity).
(change in time) = some reasonable estimate of time for the object to decelerate to 0 velocity.

Once you have force F, then you can estimate stress applied to the material.
Stress = F / (impact area)
(impact area) gets very tricky & subjective:
  • object impacts window in which attitude & orientation? Impacts on face of max area? Impacts on corner or point of minimum area?
  • at what angle?
  • impacts along an edge or line?
With estimated applied stress, can compare against tensile & yield stress of the window material.
 
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