Impact of economies collapse on global society

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The discussion revolves around the potential impacts of economic collapse on global migration patterns and cultural shifts. Participants explore how these changes might affect human migration, economic disparities, and the dynamics of immigration in various countries, particularly in relation to the United States, Mexico, and India.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the economic downturn may reverse migration flows, particularly with references to illegal aliens returning to their home countries.
  • Others argue that while some migrants may return, this does not address the underlying issues of poverty and economic disparity, which remain significant challenges globally.
  • There are concerns about the impact of military expenditures on the U.S. economy and how this might affect migration and economic stability.
  • One participant mentions that the downturn in India's IT sector could have implications for the U.S. IT sector, which relies heavily on immigration from countries like India and China.
  • Some participants share personal experiences regarding business interactions with Indian companies, raising concerns about transparency and legal implications in outsourcing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effects of economic collapse on migration, with no clear consensus. While some see potential positive changes in migration patterns, others highlight that these changes may not resolve the fundamental issues of economic inequality.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include various assumptions about economic conditions and migration trends, but these assumptions are not universally accepted. The conversation also reflects differing perspectives on the implications of military spending and the role of outsourcing in the economy.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7659086.stm

I was wondering how this will affect the humans' migration and global culture (authority too) etc. It seems like China is getting ahead and migration flow will be reversed. I don't have enough data and knowledge to make any predictions but for sure there will be lot of interesting changes.
 
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Apparently some illegal aliens and migrants have returned from the US to Mexico and other countries because of the economic downturn. Other than that, I don't see massive changes in migration patterns.

What does need to be addressed is the gross disparity in incomes in all the countries affected.

For the US, the military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan must draw to a peaceful resolution as much as possible and as soon as possible. The US government cannot continue to finance the wars at current levels without significant damage to the economy.
 
Astronuc said:
Apparently some illegal aliens and migrants have returned from the US to Mexico and other countries because of the economic downturn.QUOTE]

Yep, that's the positive change. This will solve all the illegal immigration problems in the developed countries. :biggrin:
 
rootX said:
Astronuc said:
Apparently some illegal aliens and migrants have returned from the US to Mexico and other countries because of the economic downturn.QUOTE]

Yep, that's the positive change. This will solve all the illegal immigration problems in the developed countries. :biggrin:
Not necessarily. It just moves the same problem around geographically - which is poverty and economic disparity/inequity in the world.
 
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2008/10/08/finighan.eop.improving.economy.cnn" discusses whether the economic downturn has an effect on Polish immigration into the UK.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/10/03/neisloss.india.it.industry.cnn" says that India's IT sector is expecting a downturn because a third of their business is from financial companies. That's probably good for the U.S. IT sector, which is pretty dependent on immigration of IT professionals from places like India and China; we aren't very good at producing IT talent domestically.
 
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CaptainQuasar said:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/10/03/neisloss.india.it.industry.cnn" says that India's IT sector is expecting a downturn because a third of their business is from financial companies. That's probably good for the U.S. IT sector, which is pretty dependent on immigration of IT professionals from places like India and China; we aren't very good at producing IT talent domestically.
I get calls periodically from India, most likely Bangalore, inquiring about my business/office, yellow pages and an offer for a website. :rolleyes: I politely decline. They also don't like giving out information, and I am not about to deal with someone who is not being forthcoming or forthright.
 
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Astronuc said:
I get calls periodically from India, most likely Bangalore, inquiring about my business/office, yellow pages and an offer for a website. :rolleyes: I politely decline. They also don't like giving out information, and I am not about to deal with someone who is not being forthcoming or forthright.

Huh. I hadn't heard of that kind of stuff - Indian businesses directly marketing to the U.S. that way - but it makes sense that someone would try.

Another good reason not to do that is that if there's some sort of serious dispute you could wind up facing a need to go to court in India. That's one factor (among many) that prevents there being more outsourcing overseas.
 

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