Implicit differentiation with exponential function

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the implicit function \( e^{xy} + x^2 + y^2 = 5 \) at the point (2,0) using implicit differentiation. Participants explore the application of the product rule and the chain rule in this context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about differentiating \( e^{xy} \) and questions the need for parentheses when applying the product rule.
  • Another participant confirms the differentiation of the left side is correct and emphasizes that the right side, being a constant, should equal zero after differentiation.
  • A later reply provides a detailed implicit differentiation process, leading to an expression for \( \frac{dy}{dx} \) and calculates the slope of the tangent line at the specified point.
  • There is a discrepancy in the slopes calculated by different participants, with one stating the slope is 2 and another concluding it is -2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the value of the slope of the tangent line at the point (2,0), as different calculations yield different results.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for careful application of the product and chain rules, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the handling of constants during differentiation.

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find dy/dx: exy+x2+y2= 5 at point (2,0)

I'm confused with finding the derivative with respect to x of exy.

this is what I did so far for just this part: exy*d(xy)/dx

exy*(y+x*dy/dx)

do I need to put the parentheses on here? I thought so because that is the part where I used the product rule. (but probably not, right?)

then for the entire function so far this is what I got:

exy*(y+x*dy/dx)+2x+2y*dy/dx=5

am I doing something wrong so far?
 
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coolbeans33 said:
find dy/dx: exy+x2+y2= 5 at point (2,0)

I'm confused with finding the derivative with respect to x of exy.

this is what I did so far for just this part: exy*d(xy)/dx

exy*(y+x*dy/dx)

do I need to put the parentheses on here? I thought so because that is the part where I used the product rule. (but probably not, right?)

then for the entire function so far this is what I got:

exy*(y+x*dy/dx)+2x+2y*dy/dx=5

am I doing something wrong so far?

Your differentiation of the left side looks good (yes you do need the parentheses as given by the chain rule), but the right side is a constant, so after implicitly differentiating with respect to $x$, what should it become?
 
MarkFL said:
Your differentiation of the left side looks good (yes you do need the parentheses as given by the chain rule), but the right side is a constant, so after implicitly differentiating with respect to $x$, what should it become?

srry I forgot to put the "equals zero" in.

So I solved for the derivative and I got:

yexy+2x/x*exy+2y

and the slope of the tangent line at pt (2,0) is 2.
 
We are given the implicit relation:

$$e^{xy}+x^2+y^2=5$$

Implicitly differentiating with respect to $x$, we find:

$$e^{xy}\left(x\frac{dy}{dx}+y \right)+2x+2y\frac{dy}{dx}=0$$

Next, we want to arrange this equation such that all terms having $$\frac{dy}{dx}$$ as a factor are on one side, and the rest is on the other side:

$$xe^{xy}\frac{dy}{dx}+2y\frac{dy}{dx}=-\left(ye^{xy}+2x \right)$$

Factor the left side:

$$\frac{dy}{dx}\left(xe^{xy}+2y \right)=-\left(ye^{xy}+2x \right)$$

Divide through by $$xe^{xy}+2y$$

$$\frac{dy}{dx}=-\frac{ye^{xy}+2x}{xe^{xy}+2y}$$

Hence:

$$\left.\frac{dy}{dx} \right|_{(x,y)=(2,0)}=-\frac{0\cdot e^{2\cdot0}+2\cdot2}{2\cdot e^{2\cdot0}+2\cdot0}=-\frac{4}{2}=-2$$

Here is a plot of the equation and its tangent line:

View attachment 1603
 

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