Improper Integral and Force on a Dam

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of an improper integral and the calculation of the total force on a dam, which involves understanding hydrostatic forces and the implications of the given mathematical expressions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification related to these topics.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help with the improper integral $\int_{-\infty}^{0} \ \frac{dx}{(2+x) \sqrt{x}}$ and the total force calculation related to a dam.
  • Another participant suggests a substitution method for the integral, indicating that it can be simplified and integrated, while noting the discontinuities at $x = -2$ and $x = 0$.
  • A participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the limits of integration and corrects their approach to integrate from $-\infty$ to $-2$ and then from $-2$ to $0$.
  • One participant points out that the integrand does not exist for negative $x$ due to the square root, questioning the validity of the integration.
  • Another participant agrees with the concern about the integrand's existence for negative values and expresses uncertainty about the integration process.
  • There is a mention of a helpful external thread regarding hydrostatic forces, which may provide additional context for the dam problem.
  • A participant questions the choice of the interval for the dam problem, specifically why it extends up to 25 when the bottom of the dam is at $0$ on the y-axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the improper integral due to the square root function, leading to uncertainty about how to proceed with the integration. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the integral or the interpretation of the dam problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the integrand's existence for negative values and the implications of discontinuities in the improper integral. There are unresolved questions about the interval used in the dam problem.

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my final is tomorrow and my instructor gave a list of questions that will be similar to the ones on the final exam and i want to see how they should be done properly. I've been working on other problems but i can't get past these ones. thanks

$\int_{-\infty}^{0} \ \frac{dx}{(2+x) \sqrt{x}}$

a graph of $y=\frac{x^2}{4}$ is given with intersection point $(4,4)$. find the total force of the dam using coordinate system at the bottom of the dam. (i don't even know what this question means)
 
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there's an example here that's similar to the second question but it doesn't really make sense?? it's on the last page.

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I'm not at the level of math that you are on, but I can help you on the first improper integral. If you make the substitution $$x = u^2$$, the integral will simplify into a form that you can easily take its anti-derivative. Then you can proceed as you would normally with a normal improper integral, taking into consideration that it has a discontinuity at x = -2, and x = 0.
 
appreciate the help Rido :)for that one i thought i needed to integrate it t to 0 and then take the limit as t goes to -$\infty$ i realized my mistake because i hadn't noticed that's undefined at -2 (thank you for pointing that out) so i guess i have to integrate from -$\infty$ to -2. and then from -2 to 0.
 
You might find this thread helpful for the question regarding hydrostatic forces:

http://mathhelpboards.com/questions-other-sites-52/ns-questions-yahoo-answers-regarding-hydrostatic-forces-6150.html
 
ineedhelpnow said:
$\int_{-\infty}^{0} \ \frac{dx}{(2+x) \sqrt{x}}$
I'm not quite sure why no one has made this comment...The integrand does not exist for negative x because of the square root. There is no integration to do here. Or am I missing something obvious?

-Dan
 
I noticed that too, because if you tried to integrate, you'd have to sub in negative infinity into arctan(sqrt(x/2)), but I didn't want to comment because I wasn't sure.
 
when i was integrating it i got some weird answers but i tried to ignore it and kept going on. :D
 
for the interval on the dam (in the example), the bottom of the dam was at the point 0 on the y-axis but why did the interval go upto 25?
 

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