Improving my mathematical foundation for physics

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The discussion revolves around the selection of mathematics courses that would provide a solid foundation for studying physics. Participants explore various mathematical fields, their relevance to different areas of physics, and suggest specific courses or resources that could be beneficial.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the significance of Linear Algebra, Group Theory, and Probability & Statistics in physics, seeking recommendations for other relevant mathematics courses.
  • Another participant suggests that subjects like differential equations, Fourier series, and complex analysis might be more critical than full courses in group theory and statistics, while still recommending some probability and statistics.
  • A participant reflects on their experience with "watered down" mathematics courses for physics students, particularly in Linear Algebra, and considers studying pure mathematics versions instead.
  • Some participants agree on the importance of Linear Algebra, with one stating it is essential for various fields in physics.
  • Abstract algebra is mentioned as potentially important due to its connection to symmetry and Noether's theorem in physics.
  • Recommendations for specific textbooks are provided, including works by Mary Boas and Sterling Berberian, highlighting their clarity and rigor.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of a full course in probability, with suggestions for practical resources instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of Linear Algebra, but there is no consensus on the necessity of full courses in other areas like group theory or probability. Multiple competing views regarding the best approach to mathematics education for physics remain present.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with mathematical subjects and their applications in physics, indicating that personal educational backgrounds may influence their recommendations. There are also references to specific course descriptions and textbooks, which may not be universally applicable.

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This discussion may be useful for students in physics or related fields who are considering their mathematics course selections and looking for guidance on which mathematical foundations are most relevant to their studies.

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Hi all,

I am making a decision regarding the mathematics courses I should take before graduating so that I can leave Uni with a "decent enough" mathematical foundation.

Some courses I had in mind were Linear Algebra, Group Theory, and Probability & Statistics, however I have little knowledge about these courses, much less their significance to physics. Could anyone kindly elaborate on how important these fields of mathematics are to varying fields of physics?

Also, are there other mathematics courses I should be looking out for?

Many thanks in advance.

P.S. The LA I have in mind is the one people in Math read. The LA I have read is "catered" to physics students, and I have found its content woefully inadequate.
 
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The subjects of differential equations, Fourier series, and complex analysis come to mind. I don't know if full courses are needed in these or the ones you have mentioned. I would recommend those over full courses of group theory (abstract algebra) and statistics. But definitely get some probability and statistics. If there are some overview mathematics for physicists courses, you should take those and work from there.

PS. When you don't put your educational background in your profile for people to view, you need to completely describe it in these posts.
 
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The subjects of differential equations, Fourier series, and complex analysis come to mind. I don't know if full courses are needed in these or the ones you have mentioned. I would recommend those over full courses of group theory (abstract algebra) and statistics. But definitely get some probability and statistics. If there are some overview mathematics for physicists courses, you should take those and work from there.

PS. When you don't put your educational background in your profile for people to view, you need to completely describe it in these posts.

I have read the subjects mentioned above in my mathematics courses, except that they have been "watered down" for physics students. I have found this to be a big limiting factor especially in Linear Algebra when it comes to studying QM. Perhaps I should look to read the pure maths versions of Linear Algebra instead of the courses I initially mentioned? It seems to me that Linear Algebra is a pretty useful tool in many fields of physics, and not having a good grasp of it is just asking for trouble.

For what its worth, the course descriptions to the courses are in the link here: http://www1.spms.ntu.edu.sg/~maths/Undergraduates/MASUndergradModules.html

Linear Algebra (physics version): MH2800
Linear Algebra I (maths version): MH1200
Linear Algebra II (maths version): MH1201

PS. I will look to update my educational profile as soon as I can, thanks for the tip.
 
I agree that linear algebra is a must-have. I'm sorry that I did not say that.
 
WWCY said:
Thank you for your response.
I have read the subjects mentioned above in my mathematics courses, except that they have been "watered down" for physics students. I have found this to be a big limiting factor especially in Linear Algebra when it comes to studying QM. Perhaps I should look to read the pure maths versions of Linear Algebra instead of the courses I initially mentioned? It seems to me that Linear Algebra is a pretty useful tool in many fields of physics, and not having a good grasp of it is just asking for trouble.

For what its worth, the course descriptions to the courses are in the link here: http://www1.spms.ntu.edu.sg/~maths/Undergraduates/MASUndergradModules.html

Linear Algebra (physics version): MH2800
Linear Algebra I (maths version): MH1200
Linear Algebra II (maths version): MH1201

PS. I will look to update my educational profile as soon as I can, thanks for the tip.

How about pick up one of the mathematical physics text that have been recommended all over this forum, look at the various math topics that are covered, and use that as a starting guide on the type of mathematics that you might need?

Example: Mary Boas "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences". If you do a search on this, you'll see plenty of recommendations. Beyond that, there's always Arfken's mathematical physics text.

Zz.
 
Symmetry and Noether's theorem are important in physics. So abstract algebra may also be important for you.
 
There is a nice Linear Algebra book. Very easy to read and informative, without sacrificing rigor. Sterling Berberian writes very clear math books.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486780554/?tag=pfamazon01-20
You can buy the hardcover first edition for about $4 more.
This is more along the lines of a pure math book. Theorems and Proofs. Everything is explained well. It feels like cheating. Can be used for both a first and second exposure to Linear Algebra. Once you finish this book, you can move onto more advance books.

I gained a good understanding of Linear Algebra from this book, and I used what I learned here to do well in courses in E&M and QM.
 
For probability, I would not recommend a full course, especially if it very theoretical in nature.

I would get an old copy of Degroot: Introduction to Probability and Statistics. Good for exercises. Some explanations are rather vague.

I used this book, and it is one of my favorite math books. Joseph K. Blitzstein, is a Harvard professor.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1466575573/?tag=pfamazon01-20

The information here, would probably be used in statistical mechanics course. I can see ideas from probability being put to good use in a modeling course/project and experiments... I would just read books, for the sake of learning fun math.
 

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