Impulse imparted to A by B during collision

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The problem involves an elastic collision between two small objects, A and B, where A is moving with an initial speed v and B is at rest. The objective is to determine the impulse imparted to A by B during the collision, with a defined positive direction for impulse.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of impulse and its calculation, with some suggesting that the impulse could be simply -[m][/A]v. Others question the implications of the elastic nature of the collision and the definitions of the velocities involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between kinetic energy and momentum conservation in elastic collisions, while others are clarifying the definitions and assumptions related to the velocities of the objects.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the assumption that A may be stationary after the collision, which is only true if the masses are equal. Additionally, the discussion references the conservation of kinetic energy and momentum as key principles relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Small object A (mass: [m][/A]) is traveling in a linear path on a horizontal surface and collides elastically with small object B ([m][/B]), at rest on the same line, with a speed of v. Friction between the objects and the horizontal surface is negligible.
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What is the impulse imparted to A by B during the collision? The positive direction of impulse is defined as the direction of A's velocity before collision.
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Correct answer is 1.

Homework Equations


Impulse = mdv
v - 0 = [v][/B] - [v][/A]
and maybe [m][/A]v = [m][/B][v][/B] + [m][/A][v][/A]?

The Attempt at a Solution


Isn't the impulse simply -[m][/A]v? Since collision was elastic, change in velocity be v - 0 = v. The direction would be towards the negative because [m][/A] would be moving in the opposite direction after collision.
 
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tooter555 said:

Homework Statement


Small object A (mass: [m][/A]) is traveling in a linear path on a horizontal surface and collides elastically with small object B ([m][/B]), at rest on the same line, with a speed of v. Friction between the objects and the horizontal surface is negligible.

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What is the impulse imparted to A by B during the collision? The positive direction of impulse is defined as the direction of A's velocity before collision.

http://imgur.com/H8LOF8x

Correct answer is 1.

Homework Equations


Impulse = mdv
v - 0 = [v][/B] - [v][/A]
and maybe [m][/A]v = [m][/B][v][/B] + [m][/A][v][/A]?

The Attempt at a Solution


Isn't the impulse simply -[m][/A]v? Since collision was elastic, change in velocity be v - 0 = v. The direction would be towards the negative because [m][/A] would be moving in the opposite direction after collision.
 
tooter555 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Isn't the impulse simply -[m][/A]v? Since collision was elastic, change in velocity be v - 0 = v. The direction would be towards the negative because [m][/A] would be moving in the opposite direction after collision.
What does "elastic" mean?
Which of the four relevant velocities is given by "v"?
 
tooter555 said:
Since collision was elastic, change in velocity be v - 0 = v.
You seem to be saying that A is stationary after the collision. That will only be true (for an elastic collision) if the masses are equal.
 
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v is the initial speed of mass A. I think v - 0 = [v][/B] - [v][/A] is correct since the the collision is elastic. And subbing v = [v][/B] - [v][/A] into [m][/A]v = [m][/B][v][/B] + [m][/A][v][/A], I was able to get the answer. Thanks for the advices.
 
If I remember correctly, a perfectly elastic collision means that the total Kinetic Energy after the collision equals the total Kinetic Energy before the collision. You can use this information to create an equation, to help you solve for the unknowns.
 
tooter555 said:
v - 0 = [v][/B] - [v][/A]
Yes. I know this as (a special case of) Newton's Experimental Law. It can be deduced from conservation of momentum+conservation of energy.
The general form involves coefficient of restiturion, for imperfect elasticity.
scottdave said:
total Kinetic Energy after the collision equals the total Kinetic Energy before the collision.
Yes, but using momentum conservation and NEL is equivalent, and avoids quadratics.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes. I know this as (a special case of) Newton's Experimental Law. It can be deduced from conservation of momentum+conservation of energy...using momentum conservation and NEL is equivalent, and avoids quadratics.

Cool. Like I said, it'd been awhile. So I've forgotten about NEL, but I don't think I'll ever forget Conservation of Momentum, and Energy. Yes I do now recall about using the coefficient of restitution, when collision is inelastic.
 

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