Impulse momentum method for linear motion

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Homework Statement


I was told by a friend that M1+I1-2=M2 is actually FT=mVf-mVi.

So using FT=mVf-mVi to solve the following question...

The Attempt at a Solution


FT=mVf-mVi
(F)(0.15)=800(0)-800(5000/3.6)
F=-7407.4N

Ans is 7407.4N positive. Can I ask did I get my sign wrong?
 
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  • Printed text titled Impulse-momentum principle, stating momentum at situation 2 equals momentum at situation 1 plus impulse of external forces, with the equation M1 + I1-2 = M2.
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  • Printed problem text: A car bumper is designed to bring a 800 kg car to rest, from a speed of 5 km/h, in 0.15 s. Determine the force on the bumper during the stopping motion, assuming it is constant.
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freshbox said:
Ans is 7407.4N positive. Can I ask did I get my sign wrong?
All they want is the magnitude of the force.

If you choose to make the initial velocity positive, then the force will indeed be negative.
 
freshbox said:
So -ve or +ve doesn't matter?
Not in presenting your final answer.
 
So how do i determine where the values that i am going to put in is going to be +ve or -ve?

The formula is FT=mVf-mVi, i am just subbing in the values in, but in the end i got negative.
 
freshbox said:
So how do i determine where the values that i am going to put in is going to be +ve or -ve?

The formula is FT=mVf-mVi, i am just subbing in the values in, but in the end i got negative.
There's nothing wrong with your solution. I'm just pointing out that often when they ask for some quantity they just want the magnitude of that quantity.

If you had assumed the car was initially moving to the left, then using your sign convention you would have found that the force was positive. The direction of motion (or sign convention) wasn't specified so presumably they just want the magnitude of that force.
 
Ok, sorry I would like to ask another question attached below. Actually I tried this question:

FT=mVf-mVi
-441.45t=150(0)-150(1.2)
-441.45t=-180
t=0.407s

I don't understand this question why do they consider them individually? For work energy method is about setting of datum, is there anything special for impulse momentum that I need to know?


Thanks...
 
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  • Handwritten-style worked solution typeset as text: impulse-momentum analysis of a package on a flatcar, with M1 = mv1 = 150 x 1.2 = 180 kgm/s, friction Ff = mu N = 0.3 x 150g = 441.45 N, impulse I1-2 = Ft = -441.45t, and M2 = mv2 = 150v.
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  • Handwritten-style worked solution on impulse-momentum for a flatcar: equations M1 + I = M2 with values 180 - 441.45t = 150v and v = 1.2 - 2.943t, then flatcar diagram with 200N force and 0.5 m/s velocity, leading to t = 0.218 s.
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freshbox said:
Ok, sorry I would like to ask another question attached below. Actually I tried this question:

FT=mVf-mVi
-441.45t=150(0)-150(1.2)
-441.45t=-180
t=0.407s
Your error is thinking that the package ends up with zero final velocity. It just stops moving with respect to the flatcar. After the package stops sliding, the package and flatcar end up moving with the same nonzero speed.
 
why did the question consider the package and flatcar individually?
 
freshbox said:
why did the question consider the package and flatcar individually?
In order to analyze the effect of the friction force between package and flatcar, you need to treat them separately so that the friction is an external force.
 
So anything with friction between them I must treat them separately if not I can treat them as a whole?
 
freshbox said:
So anything with friction between them I must treat them separately if not I can treat them as a whole?
It all depends on the particular problem. The key thing is to realize that you can apply the impulse momentum to them separately or together, as needed.
 
So for this question I have to apply impulse momentum separately because there is a friction force between them if not I won't be able to solve them. Correct?
 
freshbox said:
So for this question I have to apply impulse momentum separately because there is a friction force between them if not I won't be able to solve them. Correct?
Right.