In how many ways can three aces be drawn?

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The discussion revolves around the combinatorial problem of determining the number of ways to draw three aces from a standard deck of cards. Participants explore different approaches to calculating this probability and the implications of considering order in their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of factorial formulas to calculate the number of combinations and permutations. Some express confusion over differing results and the reasoning behind them. There is also a consideration of whether the order of drawing the aces matters in the context of the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their calculations and questioning the assumptions about order in card drawing. Some guidance has been provided regarding the typical conventions in combinatorial problems, but no consensus has been reached on the final interpretation of the problem.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the relevance of order in the context of drawing cards, with some participants suggesting that it is typically not considered important in such problems. The moderator has noted a change in the thread's category, indicating a shift in focus from physics to precalculus mathematics.

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probability help pleasezz

1. In how many ways can three aces be drawn?



2. I used this formula - P= n!/(n-r)!
n r


3. Here is my attempt- 52!/(52-3)!=52!/49!= 132600, but that is off to me.

I googled this problem and the person got "There are 4*3*2 = 24 sequences in which 3 aces can be drawn from a deck containing 4 aces." However I do not know how they reached their conclusion :(
 
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well i think i got it, however i would like to know if it is correct
n!/(n-r)!=4!/(4-3)!=4!/1=24/1=24 possible ways to draw three aces
 


YODA0311 said:
well i think i got it, however i would like to know if it is correct
n!/(n-r)!=4!/(4-3)!=4!/1=24/1=24 possible ways to draw three aces

That's right if you are considering order, i.e. you consider clubs-diamonds-spades to be different from clubs-spades-diamonds.
 


However, I will add that in card-drawing problems, one typically does not consider the order to be important. I.e., clubs-diamonds-spades and clubs-spades-diamonds are considered to be the same.

While there is a formula that gives the right answer, the answer to this one can easily be found (or checked) using common sense.

Moderator's note: thread moved from Intro Physics to Precalc Math.
 

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