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  1. Feb 10, 2009 #1
    ... in order to make sure the political ideologies like individual liberty, freedom of speech and a plethora of other ideals of great statemens like the Founding fathers of the US are carried on from generations to come wi , would it just be best for the people if human-like machines ran the country who were programmed to strictly follow what was indoctrine in the US constitution and not have human leaders since humans are pronned to corruption of any kind, and robots were designed not to be corrupted
     
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  3. Feb 10, 2009 #2

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    http://blogs.sun.com/hinkmond/resource/images-2008/governator-01-large.jpg
     
  4. Feb 10, 2009 #3

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    :rofl:...he has a bear on his head...
     
  5. Feb 10, 2009 #4
    sounds a lot like giving control of the country over to computer engineers.
     
  6. Feb 10, 2009 #5
    So, it will be robots who decide how to deal with terrorism, financial crisis, or other threats?
     
  7. Feb 10, 2009 #6
    If there were robots in the 18th century from the beginning of the formation of the country , we would not deal with problems like terrorism because they would be programmed to honor the founding fathers wishes of having a foreign policy based on non-interventionism and terrorism would not be such a big problem for the US .
     
  8. Feb 11, 2009 #7

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    Pentazoid,

    First, there are no robots of the type you describe, so this whole question is moot. Second, circumstances change, and the idea that the 18th century conditions are appropriate today and for all time is immensely silly - quite possibly the silliest idea I have seen on the internet, and that's saying a lot.

    Do you really want a world where slavery is legal? Where women cannot vote? Where there is no Bill of Rights?
     
  9. Feb 11, 2009 #8

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    There's an interesting question: would a robot programmed for logic point out the flaws in the Constitution to it's 18th century makers? And if so, what would happen then...?

    [edit] Meh, maybe it's not that interesting - all roads lead back to the flawed premise.
     
  10. Feb 11, 2009 #9

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    Kind of ignored the fact that other states were interventionist, or is one speculating that robots would reside in all nations. Would the colonists have rebelled in 1775? Would the robots have maintained sovereignty of Great Britain over the colonies? Or would the Founding Fathers have rebelled against the robots?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_War


    Monroe wouldn't have established the Monroe Doctrine?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine


    Would the robots have allowed the US to expand beyond it's borders?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_evolution_of_the_United_States
     
  11. Feb 11, 2009 #10

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    What would the robots actually do? Would they be able to come up with legislation?
     
  12. Feb 11, 2009 #11

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    :rofl: Heh, heh. Who would program the robots?

    Babbage was a bit late. :biggrin:

    Charles Babbage, FRS (26 December 1791 London, England – 18 October 1871 Marylebone, London, England) was an English mathematician, philosopher, inventor and mechanical engineer who originated the concept of a programmable computer.
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    The OP seems rather speculative, as in "What if . . . "
     
  13. Feb 12, 2009 #12
    This is why I hate science fiction. It makes people come up with absurd questions and has made them believe in all sorts of nonsense.
     
  14. Feb 14, 2009 #13
    I think it's safe to assume that the OP meant that the robots would be programmed with the current US Constitution, not the original.

    I think the bigger issue is the phrase "run the country". Since the constitution does not authorize the government to "run the country", how could a robot "run the country" and follow the constitution at the same time?
     
  15. Feb 14, 2009 #14
    You're never gonna "eradicate all political corruption in government" as there will always be those that are serving themselves or a particular group first. Its the sad truth, and to some extent, human nature.
     
  16. Feb 14, 2009 #15
    If you want to eradicate all political corruption in government, well i think that is going to be one REALLY difficult task, as in every level of office there is some kind of corruption big and small and so removing corruption is like removing the government. Whereas on your thought of replacing the government with so called human like machines, well i think that is also going to be really difficult and even imposible. Sounds shocking, but that's the way it is.
     
  17. Feb 14, 2009 #16

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    Except that he said, "If there were robots in the 18th century".

    There is also the problem that for this to work one needs to believe that in the first 222 years of the constitution it needed to be amended on average every 8 or 9 years, but now it's perfect and will never need to be amended again.
     
  18. Feb 14, 2009 #17
    My bad, I didn't read his later post.
    Why would one need to believe that? Unless the robots were incapable of integrating future changes to the constitution. But any robot that could enforce the constitution could do that, since the constitution itself provides the means for its amendment.
     
  19. Feb 14, 2009 #18
    hehehe
    This is why I love Sci-Fi. It lets people come up with absurd questions that have lead to wonderful inventions and great new theories.


    As to programmed overseers; who programs the programmers?
     
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