In this scenario is faster then light speed possible?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of an unbendable and unbreakable rod stretching from Earth to a star hundreds of light years away. The experts explain that such a rigid object is not possible in relativity and any change in velocity would not influence the other end until a wave traveling at the speed of sound has had time to move through the rod. Removing the unbendable part would cause the rod to bend and it is impossible for any object with mass to travel at the speed of light. The conversation also touches on the idea of traveling faster than light, which is not possible with ordinary mass.
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smurfcatcher
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Take this scenario for instance. Now from the position of the Earth if you were to lookup into the night sky the distance between stars can seem like mere inches, but in actuality it could be 100’s of light years between the two. Now, for this scenario you are a person standing on the Earth looking up into the night sky at two stars. From your perspective the distance between these two starts is only a few inches. Yet, in actuality these stars are hundreds of light years away, and hundreds or light years apart from one another. Now, in your hand you hold an unbreakable and unbendable rod that stretches from Earth hundreds of light years all the way to one of these two stars. Now, you have this unbendable, unbreakable rod in your hand and you are pointing it at one of these two stars, and then you take the rod and quickly point it at the other star. Now, here on Earth your hand only moved a few inches in a few seconds from pointing at one star to pointing at the next. Yet, the end of the rod that was at the first star you were pointing at it would have to move faster then the speed of light to travel the hundreds of light years from the first star to the second star to keep up with the part of the rod in your hand. Now, remember this is an unbendable and unbreakable rod. So, what would happen?
 
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The simple answer is that perfectly rigid objects of the type you describe are impossible in relativity. Any change in velocity of one end of the rod will not influence the motion of the other end until a wave traveling at the speed of sound in the material has had time to move from one end to the other (and the speed of sound in any physically possible material is always less than the speed of light in a vacuum). See here for a little more info.
 
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JesseM said:
The simple answer is that perfectly rigid objects of the type you describe are impossible in relativity. Any change in velocity of one end of the rod will not influence the motion of the other end until a wave traveling at the speed of sound in the material has had time to move from one end to the other (and the speed of sound in any physically possible material is always less than the speed of light in a vacuum). See here for a little more info.

Ok. So, if we were to remove the unbendable part out of this scenario what would happen? Would the rod simply curve from my hand through space until it hit the speed of light and stopped bending, and the rest of the rod would simply travel at the speed of light? Also, since as you progress closer and closer to the speed of light you begin to infinitely stretch. So, would the rod at the far end become infinatly wider then the section of the rod in your hand? Would the rod not only curve but also progressively widen as it curved?
 
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smurfcatcher said:
Ok. So, if we were to remove the unbendable part out of this scenario what would happen? Would the rod simply curve from my hand through space until it hit the speed of light and stopped bending, and the rest of the rod would simply travel at the speed of light? Also, since as you progress closer and closer to the speed of light you begin to infinitely stretch. So, would the rod at the far end become infinatly wider then the section of the rod in your hand? Would the rod not only curve but also progressively widen as it curved?
Since both rods are rotating the changes in direction inside the rod will be propagated at the speed of sound.
 
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The rod would bend. What you are describing is impossible.
 
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Two threads on the same topic merged.
 
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Here's a quick rule of thumb for all FTL questions.

In any scenario involving a massive object with ordinary (real, positive) mass, relative velocity at or above the speed of light is impossible.

The only theoretical means of traveling _apparently_ faster than light involve warping spacetime, but even then the local velocity is always sublight (and the energy requirements are far too massive to be practical, leaving aside causality paradoxes).
 

1. Can anything travel faster than the speed of light?

According to current scientific understanding, it is not possible for anything to travel faster than the speed of light. The speed of light, which is approximately 299,792,458 meters per second, is considered to be the ultimate speed limit in the universe.

2. Is there any evidence that suggests faster than light speed is possible?

While theories such as wormholes and warp drive have been proposed as ways to potentially travel faster than light, there is currently no experimental evidence to support these ideas. The laws of physics, as we currently understand them, do not allow for anything to exceed the speed of light.

3. What happens if an object were to travel faster than light?

According to the theory of relativity, as an object approaches the speed of light, its mass increases and the amount of energy required to accelerate it further also increases. If an object were to somehow reach the speed of light, it would require an infinite amount of energy, which is not possible. Therefore, it is believed that an object cannot travel faster than light.

4. Is it possible for information to travel faster than light?

No, according to the theory of relativity, the speed of light is also the maximum speed at which information can travel. This means that even if we were able to travel faster than light, we would not be able to communicate or send information faster than the speed of light.

5. Could the laws of physics change to allow for faster than light speed in the future?

It is always possible for our understanding of the laws of physics to evolve and change, but at the moment, there is no scientific evidence or theories that suggest the speed of light can be exceeded. Any changes in our understanding of the laws of physics would need to be supported by experimental evidence and rigorous testing before being widely accepted by the scientific community.

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