Inaccuracy in the speed of light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the accuracy of measuring the speed of light, particularly in relation to the motion of the observer and the system. Participants explore the implications of relative motion on measurements of light speed, touching on concepts from special relativity and the nature of velocity addition.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that measurements of the speed of light could be inaccurate due to the motion of the Earth and individual speeds, questioning how this affects the perceived speed of light.
  • Another participant counters that if light returns to its source, the issue of relative motion does not apply, emphasizing that speed and velocity are relative concepts.
  • A participant explains that light speed does not add to other speeds in the way the original poster assumes, citing the principles of special relativity where light travels at the same speed in all inertial frames.
  • Some participants reference the velocity addition formula, indicating that light's speed remains constant regardless of the observer's motion.
  • Several participants assert that the speed of light is measured as c, regardless of the relative motion of observers, challenging the original poster's assumptions about speed addition.
  • There are claims that the original poster's interpretation of velocity addition is incorrect, with references to the Lorentz transform and the distinction between rates of closure and actual velocities.
  • Some participants express disagreement with interpretations of relative velocity, suggesting that the discussion involves misunderstandings of fundamental concepts in relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of relative motion on the measurement of light speed and the interpretation of velocity addition in the context of special relativity.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of speed and velocity, as well as the applicability of classical versus relativistic concepts in the discussion. The complexity of the velocity addition formula and its implications for different frames of reference are also noted.

  • #31
My two cents for the OP:
RyanXXVI said:
Imagine a system with a laser and a receiver with the ability to detect when light from the laser reaches it. There is also a console equidistant from both the receiver and the laser which sends a signal to each instrument, making the laser turn on and the receiver start a timer. The distance between the receiver and the laser is known and everything is stationary. When the receiver receives the light, the timer stops, then does a calculation to discover the speed of light.

In that situation, the result would be completely accurate. However, now imagine a situation where the whole system was moving in one direction at a speed. This would skew the results
Yes, yes, yes.
RyanXXVI said:
The true speed of light would be the calculated speed plus the speed of the system.
No.
To avoid belives, you would have to set an experiment that measures the speed of light of the moving system, and you would find the astonishing fact that the result you obtain and the one obtained by your friend moving with the system agree.
RyanXXVI said:
Of course, this would be un-calculable if the speed of the system was unknown. Also, to any observer in this system, the system would be stationary.
Yes.

If things behaved like classical mechanics predict it to, we would not speak of the speed of light.(evenless the true speed)
 

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