B Light Speed In Forward and Backward Directions

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The discussion centers on a thought experiment involving a laser beam emitted from a moving frame, raising questions about the one-way speed of light in both forward and backward directions. Observers in the moving frame would measure the time for both beams to be equal to 0.5 seconds if their time dilation and length contraction were properly accounted for, but this leads to complications regarding simultaneity. Participants argue that using Lorentz transformations is essential to accurately calculate the time taken for the light beams, emphasizing that the speed of light remains constant at 300,000 km/s in both frames. The conversation highlights misunderstandings about relativity, particularly the relativity of simultaneity and the implications of length contraction. Ultimately, the discussion underscores the complexities of applying special relativity to such scenarios.
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Since the Alien has gotten into his spaceship and left us, this thread will remain closed. Thanks for trying to help him out while he was briefly with us. :wink:
 
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I am late to the party but just thought that I would add this to make it abundantly clear how easy this stuff is. Just go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation#Proper_transformations to get the Lorentz transform matrix. For ##v=(c/2,0,0)## we get$$\Lambda =
\left(
\begin{array}{cccc}
\frac{2}{\sqrt{3}} & \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} & 0 & 0 \\
\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} & \frac{2}{\sqrt{3}} & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \\
\end{array}
\right)$$ Then we simply use that transformation matrix to determine events ##(ct,x,y,z)## in the ground frame. $$\Lambda \cdot \left(0,0,0,0\right)=\left(0,0,0,0\right)$$$$\Lambda \cdot \left(\frac{c}{2} ,\frac{c}{2} ,0 ,0 \right) = \left( \frac{\sqrt{3}c}{2},\frac{\sqrt{3}c}{2},0,0 \right)$$$$\Lambda \cdot \left(1 c ,0 ,0 ,0 \right) = \left(\frac{2 c}{\sqrt{3}},\frac{c}{\sqrt{3}},0,0 \right)$$ You can do the subtraction and evaluate the numbers to see that the time is 0.87 for the forward and 0.29 for the reverse.

As long as they can do matrix multiplication, it is indeed high school level. The reluctance to do this for the lazy alien was due to our usual approach of encouraging the OP to learn for themselves, not because this was in any way challenging to do
 
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