Increasing the speed of Barlow's wheel

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The discussion revolves around Barlow's wheel experiment, specifically focusing on methods to increase the angular velocity of the wheel. Participants explore various factors that could influence the speed, including current, radius, magnetic field strength, and friction.

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  • Participants discuss potential methods to increase angular velocity, questioning the impact of increasing the radius and its relationship with friction. There is also a request for clarification on the advantages of using an electromagnet over a permanent magnet.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants expressing uncertainty about the effects of radius on angular velocity and the relationship between force and friction. Some guidance has been offered regarding torque and its relation to radius, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to increase speed.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of increasing radius in terms of mass and friction, as well as the theoretical aspects of electromagnet strength compared to permanent magnets. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the relationships between force, torque, and angular velocity.

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Hello, I have a problem about Barlow's wheel experiment with several questions. One of them is how to increase the angular velocity for the wheel.

I can either:

1. Increase the current
2. Increase the radius
3. Increase the strength of the magnetic field
4. Decrease friction

Are there any other ways to increase the speed?

Also, Wikipedia says that using an electro-magnet instead of a permanent magnet will cause more rapid revolution, I don't see why, can someone explain this?

"The points of the wheel, R, dip into mercury contained in a groove hollowed in the stand. A more rapid revolution will be obtained if a small electro-magnet be substituted for a steel magnet, as is shown in the cut. The electro-magnet is fixed to the stand, and included in the circuit with the spur-wheel, so that the current flows through them in succession. Hence the direction of the rotation will not be changed by reversing that of the current; since the polarity of the electromagnet will also be reversed."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlow's_wheel
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Are you sure increasing the radius will increase angular velocity? Also, how do you increase the radius without increasing mass and therefore friction?
NooDota said:
Also, Wikipedia says that using an electro-magnet instead of a permanent magnet will cause more rapid revolution, I don't see why, can someone explain this?
Maybe the electromagnet is stronger.
 
Actually I don't know if it'll increase the angular velocity. It'll increase the force acting on the wheel, but I guess it'll also increase friction, I don't know which one would be stronger.

It's been sometime since I solved anything related to rotation, so any help is appreciated.
 
Also, dumb question.

F = I*r*B suggests that increasing r, would increase the force and thus the rotation, right?

But w =v/r suggests that increasing r, would decrease the angular velocity?

What am I doing wrong?
 
Torque is force multiplied with distance from the center (an exact treatment would need an integral), so doubling the radius gives four times the torque. The relation between force and angular velocity can be complicated.
 

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