Independence and conditional probability

In summary, the conversation discusses the equality of conditional probabilities for events X and Y, which are independent of each other but not independent with event A. The solution proposed uses Baye's Theorem to calculate P(A|X,Y) given only P(A), P(X|A), and P(Y|A). However, there is some confusion over whether P(X,Y) refers to P(X and Y) or P(X or Y). Additionally, the problem statement involves testing for a disease, which may mean that the events X and Y are mutually exclusive. The proposed solution takes into account this possibility.
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if X and Y are events which are independent of each other, but neither are independent with A,

is this equality true for conditional probabilities:
P( X, Y | A) = P(X|A) * P(Y|A)

if not,
how do you solve for P(A | X,Y)
given that you only know P (A) and P(X|A) and P(Y|A)?

The reason I came up with the above probability where I have:
[tex] P(A| X, Y) = \frac {P(X, Y | A) P(A)}{P(X, Y |A) P(A) + P(X, Y | A^c) P (A^c)} [/tex]
is that I used Baye's Thm.

Note: P(X, Y |A) is not given.
 
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First, by P(X,Y) do you mean P(X and Y) or do you mean P(X or Y)?

Assuming that you mean P(X and Y) then, yes, since X and Y are independent, P(X)= P(Y) so P(X and Y| A)= P(X|A)P(Y|A).
 
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Cheers for the help, HallsofIvy.

well, this is how it is stated in the problem:
X is the event of testing negative in a drug test
Y is the event of testing positive in the drug test
A is the event of having a disease.

Given that a person went to have a drug test three times, testing positive once and negative twice. What is the probability he has a disease?

here, X and Y are mutually exclusive events. However, are [tex]X_1[/tex] and [tex]X_2[/tex] mutually exclusive? It would seem that testing thrice would mean the question is asking for the union of the 3 events. Is this correct?

so would the solution be
[tex] P(A| X, X, Y) = \frac {P(X|A)P(X|A)P(Y|A)P(A)}{P(X|A^c)P(X|A^c)P(Y|A^c)P(A^c)}[/tex] ?
 
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1. What is independence in probability?

Independence in probability refers to the relationship between two events where the occurrence of one event does not affect the probability of the other event occurring. In other words, the probability of one event happening is not influenced by the occurrence or non-occurrence of another event.

2. How is independence different from conditional probability?

While independence is a relationship between two events, conditional probability is a measure of the likelihood of one event occurring given that another event has already occurred. In conditional probability, the probability of one event is dependent on the outcome of another event.

3. How can independence be determined in a probability problem?

Independence can be determined by calculating the joint probability of the two events and comparing it to the product of their individual probabilities. If the joint probability is equal to the product of the individual probabilities, then the events are independent. If not, then the events are dependent.

4. Can two independent events ever be mutually exclusive?

No, two independent events cannot be mutually exclusive. If two events are mutually exclusive, it means that they cannot occur at the same time. However, if two events are independent, the occurrence of one does not affect the probability of the other occurring, so they can happen simultaneously.

5. How does the concept of independence apply to real-world situations?

Independence is a fundamental concept in probability and is applicable to many real-world situations, such as weather forecasting, stock market analysis, and medical diagnoses. It allows us to make predictions and decisions based on the likelihood of events occurring without being influenced by other factors.

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