Index Gymnastics: 2 More Questions

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The discussion revolves around questions related to index placements in tensor notation, specifically in the context of weak perturbations to the Minkowski metric and tensor contractions. Participants explore the implications of these index placements and their equivalences, as well as the rules governing tensor notation.

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  • One participant questions the correctness of a statement regarding the contravariant metric tensor, suggesting that the term on the right-hand side should be different due to the presence of a free index.
  • Another participant confirms the equivalence of two contractions of the tensor, stating that they yield a scalar known as the trace of T.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether ηuvTuv equals Tuv, Tvv, or Tuu, and whether these are all equivalent.
  • One participant asserts that two index expressions with different free indices will generally not be equal, emphasizing the importance of the number and placement of free indices.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the implications of using different letters for indices in abstract index notation, highlighting the potential for ambiguity and the need for consistency in notation.

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Participants express differing views on the equivalence of tensor expressions with different free indices, with some asserting that they are not equal while others provide conditions under which they might be considered equal. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these index placements and their equivalences.

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Participants note the complexity of tensor notation and the potential for ambiguity when using different indices. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of index placement and notation in tensor calculus.

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Hi. Got 2 more questions on index placements.

1 - I found the following on an exam paper and it seems wrong to me. It concerns a weak perturbation to the Minkowski metric gik = ηik + hik. It then states that to first order in hik the contravariant metric tensor is gik = ηik - ηinηkmhnk. This seems wrong to me as the RHS has a free m index but the LHS does not. I think 2nd term on the RHS should be -ηaiηbkhab which I think is equal to -hik. Am I right ?

2 - In some notes I found nuvTuv = Tuv. This doesn't seem right either but I'm not sure exactly what it should be ? If I contract the u I get Tvv but if I contract the v first I get Tuu. Are these different ? Do they both equal scalar T ?
 
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You are correct on both accounts. The two contractions at the end of 2 are equivalent (they must be as they come from the same expression). This is called the trace of T, which is a scalar.
 
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Thanks. Just to confirm for me ; ηuvTuv does not equal Tuv ? It actually equals Tvv which equals Tuu and these are both equal to T ?
For a general tensor does Auu always equal Avv ?
 
Two index expressions with different free indices will in general not be equal.

dyn said:
For a general tensor does Auu always equal Avv ?
Correct.
 
Orodruin said:
Two index expressions with different free indices will in general not be equal.

I would say there are several different cases to consider if you want to say this as a general rule.

If the number or placement of the free indices differ (as in #3), then they are different types of mathematical objects, e.g., a vector and a scalar.

If the number and placement of free indices are the same, and it's concrete index notation, but the indices are different letters, e.g., v^\mu and v^\nu, then there is some ambiguity. We could be talking about components in different coordinate systems, which could be equal but probably wouldn't be. Or comparing them could be a notational mistake.

For the same case in abstract index notation, v^a and v^b, these represent exactly the same mathematical object, and they are guaranteed to be equal to one another. However, we have a notational rule that when we mix them in the same equation, we should not use different letters, e.g., we write v^a=v^a, not v^a=v^b, and v^a+v^a, not v^a+v^b. This is because the whole purpose of using different letters in abstract index notation is to keep straight how we're hooking up the "plumbing."
 

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