Indoor Tree Growth: Tree Rings & Leaf Shedding

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the growth of trees indoors, specifically focusing on whether such conditions would allow for the formation of tree rings and leaf shedding. Participants explore the implications of constant light and stable environments on these biological processes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a tree grown indoors under constant light conditions would still produce tree rings or lose its leaves, seeking insight into the mechanisms involved.
  • Another participant notes that tree rings reflect seasonal cycles, suggesting that without simulating seasonal variations, growth and ring formation may be adversely affected.
  • A third participant references historical experiments conducted in a greenhouse, indicating that trees in stable environments exhibited slower growth rates compared to those in changing seasonal conditions.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the formation of rings in a stable environment, questioning what would cause them to form.
  • A later reply clarifies that certain trees, like palms, do not form rings due to their wood structure, and emphasizes the variability in ring formation among different species, particularly in seasonless regions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for tree ring formation and leaf shedding, with no consensus reached on whether indoor growth would replicate the natural processes observed in outdoor environments.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of environmental factors such as light, temperature, and moisture in influencing tree growth and ring formation, but specific assumptions and dependencies remain unresolved.

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Sorry if this is the wrong section (already posted it in the biology forum and got no response) but this question comes from a convo I had with some friends the other night..

Say you were able to grow a full size tree indoors (assuming you had the space, nessesary lighting, soil, etc..) and kept it under 18 hours of light and 6 hours of dark indefinitly. Would it still create tree rings? Would it loose its leaves? What is the mechanisms for these?

thanks for any insight provided..
 
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Obviously that's a hypothetical question, since only somebody who did try that can answer it.

Tree rings however reflect the annual seasonal cycle of that tree, which may include seasonal variation of -for instance- light, temperatures, moisture and wind. If you don't simulate those indoors, it's likely that the growth and ring forming is affected.
 
Tropical hardwoods in the cloud forest have rings. That is a very stable environment, over time. Rings are the result of laying down different cell types in the xylem tissue usually under different environmental conditions.

Back in the 50's this kind of experiment was tried in a greenhouse at the University of Maryland. I don't know the outcome ring-wise, but the subject trees went into a slow, steady growth state. Overall growth rates (as measured by xylem production- delta girth) were significantly less than controls kept outside in changing seasons.

I cannot find a reference... I do know the control trees used to be out near Testudo the terrapin. Used to be circa 1960. I wonder if Testudo is still around...

Also note - under short term stress trees may produce what appears to be more than one "annual" growth ring per year. Insect mediated defoliation as an example.
 
it seems conceivable that there would be no rings, what would cause them?
 
thanks for the answers!
 
g33kski11z said:
thanks for the answers!

Sorry if I came in late. You have had some helpful answers, but here are two remarks:

1: Trees without rings would most likely be palms and the like, that do not have the same wood structure.

2: Not all trees that have rings have proper (annual) year rings. One has to be really careful when one does not know the biology of the tree species in question. This is a common development in trees that grow in more or less seasonless regions or in hard environments where they can't necessarily afford to grow in hard years.

Cheers,

Jon
 
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