Induction Method: Applying to Any Group or Subgroup?

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The discussion centers on the application of the induction method in group theory, specifically regarding the solvability of finite groups. It establishes that if a normal subgroup H of a finite group G satisfies a specific statement, then G is solvable. The conversation highlights a theorem involving Sylow p-subgroups and their conjugacy within H, questioning the validity of applying induction when H is not necessarily a subgroup of another normal subgroup N. The participants clarify the conditions under which the induction method can be effectively utilized.

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My question is about the induction method. This was in a theorem that I read.
Let H be a normal subgroup of a finite group G. If G satisfies H-some statement then G is solvable.
In the poof I have this.
Let G be a counter example of minimal order. Let N be a proper normal subgroup of G. Since N satisfies the H-some statement then N is solvable by the induction in the order of G.


Here is my question. H may not be a subgroup of N so, how did he apply the induction method?
 
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moont14263,

You should clarify your question. The expression "If G satisfies H-some statement then G is solvable" doesn't convey a coherent pattern for a mathematical thought. Does the "-" mean "and"?
 
Here is an example of what I am talking about.
I made up this theorem.

Let H be a normal subgroup of a finite group G. If all Sylow p-subgroup P of G are conjugate in H then G is solvable.



Conjugate in H means the set {P^{h}:h [itex]\in[/itex] H} contain all Sylow p-subgroup of G where P is a Sylow p-subgroup of G.


Let G be a counter example of minimal order. Let N be a proper normal subgroup of G. I assume that all Sylow p-subgroup P of N are conjugate in H, "this is just an assumption ,it may not be true".then N is solvable by the induction in the order of G.


Here is my question. H may not be a subgroup of N so, how did he apply the induction method in his theorem which has the same situation ?.
 

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