Showing that every finite group has a composition series

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The discussion revolves around proving that every finite group has a composition series, specifically focusing on the existence of a sequence of nested subgroups where each quotient is simple. The participants explore the implications of group properties, particularly concerning normal subgroups and the structure of finite groups.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question how the simplicity of the quotient group ##G/H## is determined by the maximality of the normal subgroup ##H##. They also discuss the necessity of maximality in the context of normal subgroups within finite groups.

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The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on specific statements regarding normal subgroups and their properties in finite groups. There is an exploration of the implications of maximality and the existence of normal subgroups, indicating a productive inquiry into the topic.

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Participants note that the finiteness of the group is crucial for the existence of a maximal nontrivial proper normal subgroup, as it prevents the formation of an infinite chain of normal subgroups.

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Prove that for any finite group ##G## there exists a sequence of nested subgroups of ##G##, ##\{e\}=N_0\leq N_1\leq \cdots \leq N_n=G## such that for each integer ##i## with ##1\leq i\leq n## we have ##N_{i-1}\trianglelefteq N_i## and the quotient group ##N_i/N_{i-1}## is simple.

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Here is a proof I found online:

We prove the result by induction. Suppose that every group of order less than ##|G|## has a composition series.

Now if ##G## is a simple group then ##\{ e_G \} \triangleleft G## is a composition series. If ##G## is not a simple group then there exists a nontrivial proper normal subgroup of ##G##. Since ##G## is a finite group, a maximal nontrovial proper normal subgroup exists. Denote this subgroup by ##H##. Since ##H## is a proper subgroup of ##G## we have that ##|H|<|G|##. By the induction hypothesis, ##H## has a composition series: $$\{e_G\}=H_0\le H_1\le\dots\le H_k=H.$$ But then ##H \trianglelefteq G## by the maximality of ##H##. So: $$\{e_G\}=H_0\le H_1\le\dots\le H_k=H \le G.$$ The above chain of subgroup is a composition series of ##G##. QEDHere are my questions: How do we know for sure that ##G/H## is simple? Is this implied by the maximality of ##H##? Why?

Also, I am confused by the statement **but then ##H \trianglelefteq G## by the maximality of ##H##.** Why does the maximality of ##H## matter in this case? Don't we already know that ##H \trianglelefteq G##?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
Here are my questions: How do we know for sure that ##G/H## is simple? Is this implied by the maximality of ##H##? Why?
If ##G/H## is not simple, then there is a normal subgroup ##G/H \trianglerighteq K/H## where ##K\trianglelefteq G## is a non-trivial normal subgroup which contains ##H##.
Also, I am confused by the statement **but then ##H \trianglelefteq G## by the maximality of ##H##.** Why does the maximality of ##H## matter in this case? Don't we already know that ##H \trianglelefteq G##?
You are right. ##H## is chosen to be normal. Maximality is only needed for ##G/H## simple.
 
fresh_42 said:
If ##G/H## is not simple, then there is a normal subgroup ##G/H \trianglerighteq K/H## where ##K\trianglelefteq G## is a non-trivial normal subgroup which contains ##H##.

You are right. ##H## is chosen to be normal. Maximality is only needed for ##G/H## simple.
Could you explain this statement: Since ##G## is a finite group, a maximal nontrovial proper normal subgroup exists.

Why must a maximal nontrivial proper normal subgroup exist if ##G## is finite?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Could you explain this statement: Since ##G## is a finite group, a maximal nontrovial proper normal subgroup exists.

Why must a maximal nontrivial proper normal subgroup exist if ##G## is finite?
We also have that ##G## is not simple, which is the real important property here. The case ##G## simple is trivial, so we assume that ##G## has a non-trivial normal subgroup. Among those we choose a maximal. The non-simplicity of ##G## gives us the subgroup we need, and the finiteness guarantees, that there is a maximal one, for otherwise we could have an infinite sequence ##1 \triangleleft H_1\triangleleft H_2 \triangleleft \ldots G\,.##
 
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