Inelastic Buckling/Buckling in short columns

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of buckling forces for short columns, exploring the applicability of various theories and equations, including Johnson's equation. Participants examine the conditions under which buckling should be considered and the relevance of material properties and loading conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the method for calculating the buckling force for short columns and seeks clarity on its accuracy and application.
  • Another participant explains that for short columns, global elastic buckling theory may not apply as the material yields before buckling occurs, emphasizing the need to consider various factors such as material properties and loading conditions.
  • A participant mentions Johnson's equation as a potential solution for short beams, noting that it requires a tangent modulus, which raises some confusion.
  • It is stated that Johnson's approach is relevant for inelastic buckling, where the material has yielded, and highlights the importance of using the tangent modulus in this context.
  • One participant asserts that the Johnson formula is applicable to short columns and clarifies that it prevents inelastic behavior by using the compressive yield strength and a factor of safety.
  • Another participant agrees that Johnson's approach can be applied to short columns but notes that it is not exclusively limited to this condition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of buckling considerations for short columns, with some advocating for the use of Johnson's equation while others suggest it may not be necessary. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take in these scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding material properties, loading conditions, and design codes, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and conditions under which different buckling theories apply.

roanoar
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Hey I was wondering how you're supposed to calculate the buckling force for a short column. Is there even a way? If there is, is it accurate and how do you use it? And finally how do you know when to use it?
 
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If the column is "short" (below slenderness ratio limit) there is no global elastic buckling before the material yields, so global elastic buckling theory will not be useful for predicting material failure.

To verify whether a column is "short" or not, you must know the material, how it is being loaded, how it's being supported (fixed, fixed-fixed, pinned-fixed, pinned-guided...), the effective buckling length, the least section's radius of gyration and the limiting slenderness ratio for your beam-column in the design code you are working with.
 
That's interesting so I guess I shouldn't be looking at buckling for these short scenarios. I have calculated all the things you mentioned and have verified it is short. I was simply looking at buckling originally because I came across something called Johnson's equation which supposedly can solve buckling for short beams. But it requires a tangent modulus and this threw me off.
 
Most engineering designs are within the elastic limit and Euler's critical buckling load is included here. Johnson's approach applies to inelastic buckling, where the material already yielded with little strain or shows no significant elastic behaviour, hence the need for the tangent modulus.
 
roanoar said:
So I guess I shouldn't be looking at buckling for these short column scenarios.
You should be looking at buckling. You were right to look at that.

The Johnson formula applies to short columns. Notice the peak stress in the Johnson formula is the compressive yield strength, Scy. Hence, the Johnson formula prevents inelastic behavior. Furthermore, you divide the Johnson formula by a factor of safety, making the peak stress below the yield strength. Also, the Johnson formula uses modulus of elasticity, not tangent modulus.
 
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nvn is right, you can apply Johnson's approach to short columns, but it is not limited to this condition.
 

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