Inelastic collision for equal masses

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of inelastic collisions involving two equal masses, where one mass is initially at rest. Participants explore the implications of conservation of momentum and the conditions necessary to solve for the final velocities of the masses post-collision.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the conservation of linear momentum equation for the scenario but expresses confusion about the relationship between initial and final velocities in an inelastic collision.
  • Another participant suggests that there may be equivocation regarding the variable representing mass.
  • Several participants note that the problem is under-specified, indicating that two unknowns (final velocities) cannot be determined from a single equation without additional conditions, such as the nature of the inelasticity or the percentage of kinetic energy lost.
  • A participant clarifies that in a completely inelastic collision, the two masses stick together, resulting in equal final velocities.
  • One participant proposes using a center of mass coordinate system to analyze the collision, suggesting that in a completely inelastic collision, the objects would not move post-collision in that frame.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the problem lacks sufficient information to solve for the final velocities, with multiple views on how to approach the analysis of the collision. There is no consensus on the specific constraints or conditions needed for a complete solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of the problem's specification, particularly the need for additional conditions to resolve the unknowns related to the final velocities of the masses involved in the collision.

Mr Davis 97
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Assume that we have two equal masses that collide horizontally, where one is initially at rest. From the conservation of linear momentum, we have
##P_0 = P##
##mv_{10} = mv_{1} + mv_{2}##
##v_{10} = v_{1} + v_{2}##

Assuming we have an initial velocity, it would seem as though the final velocity of mass 1 could add with the final velocity of mass 2 in order to equal the initial velocity. However, this is not the case because collisions don't act randomly like that. Therefore, what am I missing? I know that in elastic collisions, ##v_{10} = v_{2}## because of the additional constraint posed by the conservation of mechanical energy, but I claimed that this was an inelastic collision. Is there some constraint that I am missing?
 
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Equivocating on the variable ##m## ?
 
jbriggs444 said:
Equivocating on the variable ##m## ?
You might need to elaborate...
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
You might need to elaborate...
The problem is not fully specified. There are two unknowns, v1 and v2, and only one equation. One more condition comes from either stating that it is a completely inelastic collision,or stating the percentage of kinetic energy lost. Either one will give the necessary second condition.
 
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Chandra Prayaga said:
The problem is not fully specified. There are two unknowns, v1 and v2, and only one equation. One more condition comes from either stating that it is a completely inelastic collision,or stating the percentage of kinetic energy lost. Either one will give the necessary second condition.
That answers my question. Thanks.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
I claimed that this was an inelastic collision. Is there some constraint that I am missing?
In a completely inelastic collision, the objects "stick together", which means that their velocities are equal after the collision.
 
One way to get a clear picture is to change coordinates to a center of mass system. In that case, after collision, neither object will be moving when the collision is completely inelastic.
 

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