Inelastic collision & friction

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The problem involves an inelastic collision between two blocks, one of which is connected to a spring. The scenario includes calculating the final velocity after the collision and determining the coefficient of kinetic friction on a rough surface after the blocks stick together and move.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the conservation of momentum to find the final velocity after the collision. They also explore energy conservation to find the coefficient of kinetic friction but encounter an issue with an unrealistic result.
  • Some participants question the relevance of initial conditions post-collision and suggest focusing on the energy of the combined mass system.
  • There is a discussion about the final velocity of the system when considering maximum spring compression.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the energy conservation equation and the implications of the spring's behavior. Some guidance has been offered regarding the initial conditions to consider after the collision.

Contextual Notes

The original poster's calculations yield a coefficient of kinetic friction greater than 1, prompting questions about their approach. There is uncertainty regarding the final velocity of the system at maximum spring compression.

Hawraa
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the question is :
a 1 kg block at rest on a horizontal surface is connected to an unstreched spring with a spring constant k=1000 N/m . A 2 kg block whose speed is 6 m/s collides with 1kg block. if the two blocks stick together and move on a rough surface after collision: find
1- the final velocity just after collision in ( m/s ) ?

i found this using momentum equation
m1v1=m2v2
(2)(6) = (2+1)v2
v2( which is the common velocity that the 2 masses are going to move with )= 12/3=4m/s

now the second part
find the coefficient of the kinetic friction of the rough surface , if the spring is compressed by maximum distance of x=0.2 m ?

i tried to solve it using this equation but finally i get a coefficient which is bigger than 1 !

delta K + delta U = work done by friction
{(1/2)(3)(4)square - (1/2)(2)(6)square } + { (1/2)(1000)(0.2)square - (1/2)(1000)(zero)square} = work done by friction

wf = 8
- kinetic friction coefficient . Normal force . d = 8
- kinetic friction coefficient . (3)(10) . (0.2) = 8
i get this answer kinetic friction coefficient = -1.3
canu pleez tell me where did i go wrong in this ?
 
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Hawraa said:
delta K + delta U = work done by friction
{(1/2)(3)(4)square - (1/2)(2)(6)square } + { (1/2)(1000)(0.2)square - (1/2)(1000)(zero)square} = work done by friction
Not sure what you're doing here. The starting point is immediately after the collision--the 6 m/s speed is no longer relevant. Compare the initial and final energy of the 2-mass system.
 
so i consider the final velocity is zero ?? as the spring compresses to the maximum distance ?
 
Hawraa said:
so i consider the final velocity is zero ?? as the spring compresses to the maximum distance ?
Sure. As long as it's still moving, it hasn't reached full compression. Right?
 
thank u i got it 0.6 i think it's right :D
 

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