Inexperience - Palin Versus Obama

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The discussion centers on the perceived inexperience of political candidates Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, particularly in the context of their respective roles as a vice-presidential and presidential candidate. Participants explore the implications of their political backgrounds, the value of executive versus legislative experience, and the impact of public perception on their qualifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that voters may value executive experience more than legislative experience, citing historical precedents.
  • Palin's relatively short tenure as governor is highlighted as a potential drawback, with comparisons made to Obama's earlier political phase.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of electing an inexperienced president, with varying estimates of the likelihood of McCain's inexperience affecting the presidency.
  • One participant suggests that Palin's selection was a strategic move to counter Obama's celebrity status, regardless of the media's portrayal of her.
  • Participants discuss the qualifications of Obama in terms of intelligence and willingness to engage with issues, contrasting this with perceptions of McCain and Palin's experience.
  • There is a debate about the relevance of comparing executive experience at different government levels, such as state versus city governance.
  • Some participants argue that experience may not be a reliable measure of a candidate's qualifications for office.
  • Discussions include statistical considerations regarding the life expectancy of older candidates and the stress associated with the presidency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the significance of experience in evaluating candidates, with no clear consensus on the implications of their backgrounds or the effectiveness of their campaigns.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various assumptions about the impact of age and health on presidential candidates, as well as differing interpretations of what constitutes relevant experience.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/13422

" While Democrats have continued to hit at Palin’s inexperience, only 36 percent of likely voters believe Palin lacks the proper experience while 47 percent said the same of Obama. "

Edit : Is this attributing to the fact that one is a governor and the other a senator? I noticed a thread here entitled " Palin Is An Insult To Our Intelligence " perhaps Palin was intended by McCain to be an insult to Obama.
 
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1) Voters tend to value executive experience more than experience as a Senator. The last person to go from being Senator to President was John Kennedy. (Of course, the big knock on governors running for President is that they usually don't have much foreign relations experience - Bill Richardson being one exception.)

2) Palin has been governor less than 2 years! Palin is a rising star, but she might be at the phase Obama was in 2004 (and that would be generous). Her experience is one legitimate knock against her being VP.

3) Electing Obama gives a 100% chance of having an inexperienced President. Electing McCain gives a 33% chance, at most, of having an even more inexperienced President. The fact that she's running for VP instead of President might factor into the poll.
 
GCT said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/13422

" While Democrats have continued to hit at Palin’s inexperience, only 36 percent of likely voters believe Palin lacks the proper experience while 47 percent said the same of Obama. "

Edit : Is this attributing to the fact that one is a governor and the other a senator? I noticed a thread here entitled " Palin Is An Insult To Our Intelligence " perhaps Palin was intended by McCain to be an insult to Obama.
It probably has more to do with the fact that one is a Presidential candidate and the other is a vicePresidential candidate.
 
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BobG said:
3) Electing Obama gives a 100% chance of having an inexperienced President. Electing McCain gives a 33% chance, at most, of having an even more inexperienced President. The fact that she's running for VP instead of President might factor into the poll.
Where does that 33% chance come from? Is that the assumed odds of him dying in his first year in office?
 
I think the idea behind Palin was to out celebrity Obama. Celebrity was what Obama had going for him. Now the new girl on the block (Palin) is a whole lot more interesting to the Press than the old hat (Obama). It doesn't matter if the press is bad mouthing Palin. The point is that when she is getting the press, Obama isn't.
 
Here's one on her experience:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzhFDQIgGSg
 
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What Obama lacks in experience, he makes up for in intelligence and willingness to study the issues. The same cannot be said for McCain (who also has no executive experience) or Palin (who has executive experience comparable to a first-term mayor of a medium-sized city).
 
las3rjock said:
The same cannot be said for McCain (who also has no executive experience)...
Implication being that they have equal experience? Really?
or Palin (who has executive experience comparable to a first-term mayor of a medium-sized city).
Structurally, state government is a lot different than city government. Different laws, responsibilities, pools of money, etc.
 
Nitpicking my parenthetical arguments only proves my core argument, which is that experience is not a very useful measure of a candidate's qualification for office.
 
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russ_watters said:
Where does that 33% chance come from? Is that the assumed odds of him dying in his first year in office?

Good point. Chances of a 72-year-old dying within 1 year is about 3.3%. The chances go up each year (http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html). It might not be appropriate of saying she would be extremely inexperienced if she'd been VP for 4 years.

I also have no real idea how years in POW camp affect a person's later life expectancy. He gets better health care than the average person. He's endured more physical abuse than the average person.

It's actually closer to a 32% chance of dying within the next 8 years for the average 72-year-old.
 
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Also, as President, you might have to deal with a wee bit more stress than the average, retired, 72-year-old male.

But on the other hand, the trend of having not-old Presidents is only about a century old. The first 20-odd Presidents took office at ages that were almost certainly above the average life expectancy at the time. McCain still has about 3 years to go before he passes that age.
 
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His father died at age 70. His mother is still alive at 96.
 
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jimmysnyder said:
His father died at age 70. His mother is still alive at 96.

Except his father, likely died of stress related occupation.

McCain is just running for President.
 

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