Is Hillary's Third Place Finish in Iowa a Sign of Trouble for Her Campaign?

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The discussion centers around Hillary Clinton's third place finish in the Iowa caucus and its implications for her presidential campaign. Participants explore various perspectives on her performance, the significance of voter preferences for change, and comparisons with other candidates, particularly Barack Obama. The conversation touches on themes of political experience, campaign strategy, and the broader electoral landscape.

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  • Some participants suggest that Clinton's campaign is struggling but argue that her political experience remains a strong asset compared to her rivals.
  • Others express skepticism about Clinton's ability to connect with voters seeking change, noting that her focus on experience may not resonate with the electorate.
  • There are claims that Obama represents a shift towards change, although some participants question the substance of that change and whether it is merely superficial.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for any candidate, including Obama, to enact significant change, with some suggesting that entrenched political interests may hinder real progress.
  • Participants express strong opinions about Clinton, with some stating they would prefer other candidates over her, reflecting a lack of confidence in her candidacy.
  • There are calls for clarification on the sources of claims made during the discussion, indicating a desire for substantiation of points raised.

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Participants exhibit a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the implications of Clinton's performance or the potential for change from any candidate. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of Clinton's campaign strategy and the likelihood of her nomination.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the actual changes any candidate might bring, highlighting a general skepticism towards political promises and the influence of established political networks.

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A key part of Hillary's campaign is her claim to have far more experience than Obama particularly in foreign affairs. The centre piece of which is Hillary's claim to have been a principal player in the N Ireland negotiations. David Trimble lead negotiator, head of the Ulster Unionists and the first First Minister of the province disagrees.
Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox

She reminds me of R. Kipling's Tomlinson's Ghost with all her so-called experience being at best second hand.
And Tomlinson took up the tale and spoke of his good in life.
"O this I have read in a book," he said, "and that was told to me,
"And this I have thought that another man thought of a Prince in Muscovy."
The good souls flocked like homing doves and bade him clear the path,
And Peter twirled the jangling Keys in weariness and wrath.
"Ye have read, ye have heard, ye have thought," he said, "and the tale is yet to run:
"By the worth of the body that once ye had, give answer—what ha' ye done?"
Then Tomlinson looked back and forth, and little good it bore,
For the darkness stayed at his shoulder-blade and Heaven's Gate before:—
"O this I have felt, and this I have guessed, and this I heard men say,
"And this they wrote that another man wrote of a carl in Norroway."
"Ye have read, ye have felt, ye have guessed, good lack! Ye have hampered Heaven's Gate;
"There's little room between the stars in idleness to prate!
"For none may reach by hired speech of neighbour, priest, and kin
Through borrowed deed to God's good meed that lies so fair within;
http://www.sff.net/people/DoyleMacdonald/l_tomlin.htm Someone should ask her in an interview if she is familiar with this poem :biggrin:
 
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Art said:
She reminds me of R. Kipling's Tomlinson's Ghost with all her so-called experience being at best second hand. http://www.sff.net/people/DoyleMacdonald/l_tomlin.htm Someone should ask her in an interview if she is familiar with this poem :biggrin:

Good poem. Nice to know, that whatever kind of life you've lead, you won't be bothered by politicians in the after-life.
 

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