B Infinite amount of matter in the universe?

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The discussion centers on the implications of a flat universe and the cosmological principle, suggesting that if these conditions hold true, both space and matter could be infinite. Most scientists currently lean towards this flat universe model, although it is acknowledged that the universe may not be perfectly flat. The conversation also touches on the limitations of our observational capabilities, which prevent definitive conclusions about the universe's size and structure. While some theories propose finite models, such as a universe bounded by a black hole, these are not widely accepted. Ultimately, the consensus is that while an infinite universe is a plausible model, certainty about its nature remains elusive due to observational constraints.
  • #51
Ernest S Walton said:
If personal opinions are to be kept out of this forum

Personal theories are out of bounds for discussion on PF. That is not the same as personal opinions. Please check the PF rules for further information.

Ernest S Walton said:
The idea that Plato, Kant, Descartes and other geniuses would have no place on this forum is mind-numbingly primitive.

Nobody has claimed this. Any ideas they had that are relevant to the forum subject matter, i.e., physics, would be within bounds.
 
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  • #52
phinds said:
Then you must of necessity believe that the universe cannot be infinite. You MIGHT be right but you can't prove it so that's just a personal opinion, not science.

Infinity can only exist conceptually, as a function or algorithm for termlessly generating new set members (or proving another member will always exist as with primes). So, unless the universe is a manifestation of consciousness (instead of, or in addition to, the other way around) it cannot be infinite. And if so, its infinitude can only exist as it is defined/discovered, just as we know the set of integers is infinite, but can only ever actually define/discover an infinitesimal part of it.
 
  • #53
Chris Miller said:
Infinity can only exist conceptually, as a function or algorithm for termlessly generating new set members

This is not a fact, it's your personal opinion. Since it's not amenable to experimental test, there's no way to usefully discuss it here.
 
  • #54
The OP question has been sufficiently answered. Thread closed.
 

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