Infinite Sequences and Integrals

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of infinite sequences and the evaluation of integrals, specifically focusing on a sequence problem and an integral involving the function 1/(x^2 - 1). Participants explore various methods and reasoning related to these topics, including limits, convergence tests, and integration techniques.

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  • Some participants assert that the sequence converges to 0, citing bounds and the squeeze theorem, while others argue that it diverges based on the limit behavior of its terms.
  • One participant mentions that the original poster's application of L'Hopital's rule is incorrect, as the limit does not fit the required forms.
  • Regarding the integral, there is a discussion about the correct form of the integral of 1/(x^2 - 1), with some participants suggesting it is a tabular integral and others correcting the expression for the anti-derivative.
  • Participants debate the proper evaluation of the integral's bounds and the application of limits in the context of integration.
  • There are suggestions to explore absolute convergence for the series, with some participants indicating that proving absolute convergence could suffice for establishing convergence.

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Participants express differing views on the convergence of the sequence, with no consensus reached. The discussion on the integral also reveals conflicting opinions regarding the correct evaluation and form of the integral, indicating unresolved disagreements.

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Some participants note limitations in the original poster's approach, particularly regarding the application of L'Hopital's rule and the evaluation of the integral. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the discussions about convergence and integration techniques.

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I wrote everything on the scanned image:

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The solution to the first sequence problem is 0, i.e. it converges, which is a puzzle to me...

Ignore the limits in the second problem, all I need to know is how to integrate it.

Thanks for any help
 
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for the series, we know that if the limit of a_n of any given series as n -> infinity, is different from zero than the given series diverges, right?
so
lim n->infinity [(-1)^(n+1)]/(2n-1), first let's suppose that n is pair so n=2k, k is an integer. Now as you can see the limit tends to infinity.
On the other hand, if we suppose that n is odd, so let n=(2k+1), than again the limit tends to infinity. so we can conclude that the sereies diverges. There are other ways of proving this also.
 
as for the integral i think that it is a tabelar integral. The indefinit integral of
integ dx/(x^2 - 1) = ln I(x-1)/(x+1), so here we just have the bounds, which go from c to -2. Also remember that integ of f(x) from a to b, is:
f(b)-f(a).
 
sutupidmath said:
for the series, we know that if the limit of a_n of any given series as n -> infinity, is different from zero than the given series diverges, right?
so
lim n->infinity [(-1)^(n+1)]/(2n-1), first let's suppose that n is pair so n=2k, k is an integer. Now as you can see the limit tends to infinity.
On the other hand, if we suppose that n is odd, so let n=(2k+1), than again the limit tends to infinity. so we can conclude that the sereies diverges. There are other ways of proving this also.

For one thing the original poster stated this was a sequence, not a series. For a second thing, regardless of how you look at it this sequence obviously converges, it has an upper bound of 1/(2n-1), qand a lower bound of (-1)/(2n-1) both of which converge to 0 taking the limit as n approaches infinity, hence the sequence in question converges using the squeeze theorem. Furthermore even if it were a series it would still converge by the alternating series test.

In response to the original poster, you cannot apply L'Hopital's rule as you have done because it is not of either of the forms 0/0 or infinity/infinity.
 
d_leet said:
For one thing the original poster stated this was a sequence, not a series. For a second thing, regardless of how you look at it this sequence obviously converges, it has an upper bound of 1/(2n-1), qand a lower bound of (-1)/(2n-1) both of which converge to 0 taking the limit as n approaches infinity, hence the sequence in question converges using the squeeze theorem. Furthermore even if it were a series it would still converge by the alternating series test.

In response to the original poster, you cannot apply L'Hopital's rule as you have done because it is not of either of the forms 0/0 or infinity/infinity.

Yeah, you are so right. My bad, i appologize for my wrong reply. I did not read it properly, just glanced at it. Sorry!
 
sutupidmath said:
as for the integral i think that it is a tabelar integral. The indefinit integral of
integ dx/(x^2 - 1) = ln I(x-1)/(x+1), so here we just have the bounds, which go from c to -2. Also remember that integ of f(x) from a to b, is:
f(b)-f(a)
.

Well, no, it's definitely not f(b) - f(a). It should have read: F(b) - F(a), where F(x) is the anti-derivative of f(x).

Btw, are you sure that:
[tex]\int \frac{dx}{x ^ 2 - 1} = \ln \left| \frac{x - 1}{x + 1} \right| + C[/tex]

You seem to have missed a factor of 1/2 before the final result. Actually, it should read:
[tex]\int \frac{dx}{x ^ 2 - 1} = \textcolor{red}{\frac{1}{2}} \ln \left| \frac{x - 1}{x + 1} \right| + C[/tex]

:)

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@OP:
You don't have to split the limit to 2 separate limits like that. Here's one way you can tackle the problem:
[tex]\lim_{c \rightarrow -\infty} \int_c ^ {-2} \frac{2 dx}{x ^ 2 - 1} = \lim_{c \rightarrow -\infty} \int_c ^ {-2} \frac{(x + 1) - (x - 1)}{(x - 1) (x + 1)} dx[/tex]

[tex]= \lim_{c \rightarrow -\infty} \left[ \int_c ^ {-2} \left( \frac{1}{x - 1} - \frac{1}{x + 1} \right) dx \right] = \lim_{c \rightarrow -\infty} \left( \left. \ln \left| \frac{x - 1}{x + 1} \right| \right|_c ^ {-2} \right)[/tex]

[tex]=\ln \left| \frac{(-2) - 1}{(-2) + 1} \right| - \lim_{c \rightarrow -\infty } \ln \left| \frac{c - 1}{c + 1} \right| = ...[/tex]

You can take it from here, right? :)
 
As for the series... you could try dividing both the numerator and denominator by n and see if you can find the limit.

If you need to sum over all the an and show that this converges, it will be sufficient to prove absolute convergence, as
[tex]\sum a_n \le \left| \sum a_n \right| \le \sum |a_n|[/tex], so if the rightmost converges, so will definitely the leftmost.[/color] (never mind that, of course it doesn't converge absolutely) Now it's for you to show that not only do the terms drop to zero, the series also converges (this is not trivial, think about 1/n). (It's not hard by the way, if you have this criterion :) )
 
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