Infinite series and improper integrals

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between infinite series and improper integrals, particularly focusing on graphical representations of infinite series as rectangles under curves and the convergence of series versus integrals. Participants explore conceptual questions about the nature of these mathematical constructs.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Lee questions the graphical representation of infinite series as rectangles under a curve, suggesting that lines extending from natural numbers to the curve might be more appropriate, and seeks clarification on why rectangles are used.
  • One participant explains that the area of each rectangle corresponds to the terms of the series, allowing for a comparison with integrals.
  • Lee notes a discrepancy between the convergence of the series 1/x² to π²/6 and its improper integral converging to 1, expressing a belief that these differences would diminish as x approaches infinity.
  • Another participant counters that unless the rectangles are made thinner, the sum of the rectangle areas will not equal the integral, highlighting the discrepancies that exist at each natural number.
  • Lee acknowledges the explanation provided, indicating it made sense to him.
  • A later post references the Euler–Maclaurin formula as relevant to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the graphical representation of infinite series and the relationship between series and integrals. There is no consensus on the implications of the discrepancies between the series and the integral.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of convergence and the graphical representation of mathematical concepts, which may not be universally accepted or resolved.

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Hello,

I've been reviewing some calculus material lately and I just have a couple questions:

1) I've seen infinite series shown graphically as a collection of rectangular elements under a curve representing an approximation of the area under the curve. But the outputs of the infinite series are just one dimensional numbers, so wouldn't lines coming from each natural number extending upward to the functional value of the curve be a more realistic graph? How do we get rectangles when we are summing numbers? We don't have a value for n=1.5 when the sum is from n=1 to n= infinity, so why is there rectangular area at x = 1.5 on the graph? (I know I'm wrong-- I just want to know why I am wrong.)

2) I came to my first question by noticing that the infinite series 1/x2 converges to pi2/6 while its associated improper integral converges to 1. I guess I feel like whatever differences exist in these values would be "straightened out" or made trivial because we are sending x to infinity.

Thanks in advance!

-Lee
 
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leehufford said:
Hello,

I've been reviewing some calculus material lately and I just have a couple questions:

1) I've seen infinite series shown graphically as a collection of rectangular elements under a curve representing an approximation of the area under the curve. But the outputs of the infinite series are just one dimensional numbers, so wouldn't lines coming from each natural number extending upward to the functional value of the curve be a more realistic graph? How do we get rectangles when we are summing numbers? We don't have a value for n=1.5 when the sum is from n=1 to n= infinity, so why is there rectangular area at x = 1.5 on the graph? (I know I'm wrong-- I just want to know why I am wrong.)
If we make the width of the rectangle equal to 1 and the height equal to ##x_n##, then the area is ##x_n##. So the area of the ##n##'th rectangle equals the ##n##'th term of the series. This is useful because it allows us to express the series as an integral (sum of the areas of the rectangles), which we may then compare to (i.e. bound it above and below by) other integrals whose values we know how to compute.

2) I came to my first question by noticing that the infinite series 1/x2 converges to pi2/6 while its associated improper integral converges to 1. I guess I feel like whatever differences exist in these values would be "straightened out" or made trivial because we are sending x to infinity.
Unless you make the rectangles thinner and thinner, the sum of the areas of the rectangles will NOT equal the integral of ##1/x^2##. At each value of ##n##, there is a discrepancy between the area of ##n##'th rectangle (which has width 1 and height ##1/n^2##) and ##\int_{n}^{n+1}(1/x^2) dx##. There is no reason to expect these discrepancies to cancel out as ##n \rightarrow \infty##.
 
jbunniii said:
If we make the width of the rectangle equal to 1 and the height equal to ##x_n##, then the area is ##x_n##. So the area of the ##n##'th rectangle equals the ##n##'th term of the series. This is useful because it allows us to express the series as an integral (sum of the areas of the rectangles), which we may then compare to (i.e. bound it above and below by) other integrals whose values we know how to compute.


Unless you make the rectangles thinner and thinner, the sum of the areas of the rectangles will NOT equal the integral of ##1/x^2##. At each value of ##n##, there is a discrepancy between the area of ##n##'th rectangle (which has width 1 and height ##1/n^2##) and ##\int_{n}^{n+1}(1/x^2) dx##. There is no reason to expect these discrepancies to cancel out as ##n \rightarrow \infty##.

Thanks! That made perfect sense.

-Lee
 

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