Infinite Series - Divergence of 1/n question

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The discussion centers around the convergence and divergence of the infinite series ## \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 1/n ##, exploring various mathematical perspectives and intuitions regarding series behavior. Participants examine comparisons with other series, such as ## \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 1/(n^2) ## and ## \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 1/n! ##, and delve into related concepts like Riemann's series theorem and Gabriel's horn.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the divergence of ## \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 1/n ## despite intuitively believing it should converge, noting the similarity to the convergent series ## \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 1/(n^2) ##.
  • Another participant asserts that ## 1/n ## diverges because it does not decrease quickly enough, while ## \sum_{n=1}^\infty \dfrac{1}{n^{1+\varepsilon}} ## converges for ## \varepsilon > 0 ##.
  • A participant introduces the concept of Riemann's series theorem, highlighting its implications for rearranging convergent series.
  • Gabriel's horn is mentioned as an example of a geometric figure with finite volume but infinite surface area, illustrating paradoxical properties in mathematics.
  • Integration of continuous variables is discussed, with emphasis on the critical role of ## \epsilon \rightarrow +0 ## in determining convergence or divergence.
  • Another participant contrasts the series with ## \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 1/n! ##, noting its convergence to the mathematical constant e.
  • A participant presents a summation manipulation to illustrate the divergence of the harmonic series through grouping terms.

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Participants express differing views on the reasons behind the divergence of the harmonic series compared to other series. There is no consensus on a singular explanation, and the discussion remains open with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants reference various mathematical tests and concepts without resolving the underlying assumptions or conditions that lead to different conclusions about convergence and divergence.

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I understand mathematically several ways to test whether an infinite series converges or diverges. However, I came across one particular equation that is stumping me, ## \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 1/n ##. I understand how to mathematically apply series tests to show it diverges. But intuitively, I thought it would surely converge, as the larger n becomes, the smaller the value. When (by the integral test) I came to find out it actually diverges (and yes, I am aware it's the correct answer), I'm now trying to fully wrap my brain around this, and hoping someone might be able to give me a different perspective to make sense of it. This is how I currently perceive it...

I understand the notion that as you increase the value of n, there is always going to be a value of n higher than that, which will have at least some amount of area under it, no matter how minuscule. But, the same goes for ## \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 1/(n^2) ## , yet it converges? No matter how small of a value you plug in, there is still always going to be another higher value you can put in there that will have at least some amount of area under it. So long as it’s not directly on “0,” which it can never reach, there is always additional area under it through infinity. It never reaches 0, and continues indefinitely. So, based on the explanation given in the book as for why ## 1/n ## diverges, I fail to understand how a similar equation, just one that decreases much faster, converges?
 
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The answer is quite simple: ##1/n## isn't fast enough. It adds up quicker than it tends to zero. But ##1/n^1## is the tipping point, i.e. ##\displaystyle{\sum_{n=1}^\infty \dfrac{1}{n^{1+\varepsilon}}}## converges for ##\varepsilon>0## just not for ##\varepsilon =0.##

I find Riemann's series theorem far more disturbing: if a series converges but not absolutely, then it can be rearranged so that it converges at an arbitrary given number.

Gabriel's horn is another strange example: It has a finite volume but an infinitely large surface. You can fill it with a gallon of paint but you cannot paint it with a gallon of paint.
 
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Taking a look at a case of integration of continuous variables
\int_1^\infty \frac{1}{x^{1+\epsilon}}dx = \frac{1}{-\epsilon}[x^{-\epsilon}]_1^\infty
, we see ##\epsilon \rightarrow +0## is critical of convergence/divergence.
 
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fresh_42 said:
The answer is quite simple: ##1/n## isn't fast enough. It adds up quicker than it tends to zero. But ##1/n^1## is the tipping point, i.e. ##\displaystyle{\sum_{n=1}^\infty \dfrac{1}{n^{1+\varepsilon}}}## converges for ##\varepsilon>0## just not for ##\varepsilon =0.##

I find Riemann's series theorem far more disturbing: if a series converges but not absolutely, then it can be rearranged so that it converges at an arbitrary given number.

Gabriel's horn is another strange example: It has a finite volume but an infinitely large surface. You can fill it with a gallon of paint but you cannot paint it with a gallon of paint.
Ok, I got you, so it's basically a matter of whether it adds up faster or tends to zero faster. That makes sense of it, thank you.
 
For contrast, notice ##\Sigma \frac{1}{n!} =e ##~##2.718...##, where ##\frac{1}{n!}\frac{}{}<< \frac{1}{n^2}##
 
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1+1/2 + (1/3 + 1/4) +(1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8) +.....
> 1 + 1/2 +(1/4 + 1/4) + (1/8 + 1/8 + 1/8 + 1/8) +...
= 1 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 +.......
 
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