Infinite sum of non negative integers

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The discussion revolves around the properties of infinite sums of non-negative integers, specifically analyzing which combinations of conditions regarding these sums can or cannot be true.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various combinations of infinite sums and their relationships, questioning the validity of specific scenarios presented in the problem. They discuss examples to illustrate their reasoning and clarify assumptions about the nature of the sequences involved.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the implications of the conditions, particularly regarding the relationship between sums of integers and their squares. There is ongoing exploration of the validity of specific cases, with some participants suggesting that certain combinations cannot hold true based on the properties of integers.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the sequences consist of non-negative integers, which influences the validity of certain assumptions and conclusions drawn during the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Consider a sequence of non negative integers x1,x2,x3,...xn
which of the following cannot be true ?
##A)\sum ^{\infty }_{n=1} x_{n}= \infty \space and \space \sum ^{\infty }_{n=1} x_{n}^{2}= \infty##

##B)\sum ^{\infty }_{n=1} x_{n}= \infty \space and \space \sum ^{\infty }_{n=1} x_{n}^{2}< \infty##

##C)\sum ^{\infty }_{n=1} x_{n}< \infty \space and \space \sum ^{\infty }_{n=1} x_{n}^{2}< \infty##

##D)\sum ^{\infty }_{n=1} x_{n} \leq 5 \space and \space \sum ^{\infty }_{n=1} x_{n}^{2} \geq 25##

##E)\sum ^{\infty }_{n=1} x_{n}< \infty \space and \space \sum ^{\infty }_{n=1} x_{n}^{2}= \infty##

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The Attempt at a Solution



A) is true when xn = n
B)
C) is true when xn = 1/n
D)
E)

i can't find any ways to eliminate or finalise B,C, or D
 
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Hi,
Let's work our way down the list. You did A already. Then:
If ##x\ge1##, what do you know about ##x^2## in relation to ##x## ?
 
matrixone said:

The Attempt at a Solution



A) is true when xn = n
B)
C) is true when xn = 1/n
D)
E)

i can't find any ways to eliminate or finalise B,C, or D

It says the sequences are integers. ##1/n## is not an integer.
 
Hadn't even considered that ! was too focused on the fact that ##
C)\sum ^{\infty }_{n=1} x_{n}\nless \infty## for 1/n
 
BvU said:
Hi,
Let's work our way down the list. You did A already. Then:
If ##x\ge1##, what do you know about ##x^2## in relation to ##x## ?

##x^2 \geq x## and the equality is only when x=1
So in no case the sum of ##x_{n}## can exceed ##x_{n}^{2}##
So B cannot be true .

Am i correct Sir ?

PeroK said:
It says the sequences are integers. ##1/n## is not an integer.

I never noticed that SIr ! thanks for pointing out ...

if both the sequence contains only zeroes this is true ...
So C is also eliminated.

For D,

Lets have first sequence : 5,0,0,0,0,0,...
So second sequence : 25,0,0,0,0,0,...

So it is possible .

for E,
Only case where the first sum is less than infinity is finite number of positive terms. In that case second sum will also be finite.
So E is also true

So final answers B and E ?
Am i correct now ?
Thanks a lot both of you :)
 
matrixone said:
##x^2 \geq x## and the equality is only when x=1
So in no case the sum of ##x_{n}## can exceed ##x_{n}^{2}##
So B cannot be true .

Am i correct Sir ?
I never noticed that SIr ! thanks for pointing out ...

if both the sequence contains only zeroes this is true ...
So C is also eliminated.

For D,

Lets have first sequence : 5,0,0,0,0,0,...
So second sequence : 25,0,0,0,0,0,...

So it is possible .

for E,
Only case where the first sum is less than infinity is finite number of positive terms. In that case second sum will also be finite.
So E is also true

So final answers B and E ?
Am i correct now ?
Thanks a lot both of you :)

Looks like you've got it.
 

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