Infinitesimals' rates of approaching 0

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This discussion centers on the comparison of infinitesimals and their rates of approaching zero, specifically examining the relationship between functions like ##x^3## and ##x^2## as ##x## approaches zero within the interval (-1, 1). It is established that ##x^3## approaches zero faster than ##x^2##, as indicated by the inequality ##|x^3| < |x^2|##. The conversation also highlights the importance of defining "speed" in mathematical terms, often through ratios or magnitudes, and emphasizes that the context determines how one function is deemed to approach zero faster than another.

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When comparing 2 infinitesimals, does the higher order one approach 0 faster or slower?
 
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Why don't you take the ratio of the two to see it ?
 
anuttarasammyak said:
Why don't you take the ratio of the two to see it ?
I know how to do the maths, here I'm asking just about the statement.
 
##x^3## goes to zero faster than ##x^2##, ##|x^3|<|x^2|##, when x of -1< x < 1 approaches to zero.
 
anuttarasammyak said:
##x^3## goes to zero faster than ##x^2##, ##|x^3|<|x^2|##, when x of -1< x < 1 approaches to zero.
how did you define speed/fast
 
I am sorry to say I do not have confidence on my rigorous use of mathematics and English how to express ##|x^3|<|x^2|## for ##|x|<1## which approaches zero or is numerical sequence ##x_n## such that
\forall \epsilon&gt;0\ \exists N \ \ N&lt;n\ \ |x_n|&lt;\epsilon
 
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feynman1 said:
how did you define speed/fast

Usually speed is defined by looking at a ratio or just comparing magnitudes If ##f(0)=g(0)=0## and f and g are continuous at 0, we could say ##g(x)## goes to 0 faster than ##f(x)## if ##|g(\epsilon)| < |f(\epsilon)| ## for all sufficiently small ##\epsilon##. Sometimes you want to break ties a bit blunter - e.g. you might want to say that ##\sin(x)## and ##x## go to 0 at the same speed, so you would want ##|g(\epsilon)/f(\epsilon)| < 1## to say ##g## goes to zero faster. Sometimes you really want things like ##x## and ##2x## to count as going to 0 at the same speed, in which case you might require the ratio to go to 0 as ##\epsilon## goes to 0. It really depends on the context and why you are trying to pick one thing going to zero faster than the other.

I would say the most common context is you have several terms you're adding together and you want to ignore one entirely, in which case you would probably say ##g## goes to 0 faster than ##f## if ##\lim_{x\to 0} g(x)/f(x)=0##
 
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