Inflation: Definition & Effects on Rates

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Inflation is defined as a positive change in the price of goods measured in currency, typically resulting from an increase in the supply of money relative to the availability of goods and services. An increase in demand for goods and services generally leads to higher prices, contributing to inflation. The discussion also touches on quantitative easing (QE), which involves the central bank creating new money to stimulate the economy, potentially leading to inflation if not managed carefully. Real-world examples, such as the impact of QE on oil prices, illustrate the complexities of inflation dynamics. Ultimately, inflation can occur due to various factors, including increased demand, supply constraints, and changes in currency value.
  • #51
I think the next logical questions are as follows:

1.) What will Bernanke's options be if inflation suddenly exceeds estimates before QE-2 is complete - possibly lead by the currently increasing oil prices?

2.) What is the primary indicator that will signal it's time to stop suppressing interest rates. Also, how would this be affected by an unexpected rise in inflation.

3.) How would a hard cap on the Federal debt limit - (assume it requires drastic spending cuts over the next 6 months) impact the interest rate over the next 12 months?
 
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  • #52
hamster143 said:
The only semi-credible source I could find that was willing to go on record on this subject, predicted gains of 0.5% of GDP, as a result of quantitative easing on the scale of 10% of GDP, giving the multiplier of 0.05

Forgetting for a moment that I see no reason to regard Mr. Hatzius' comments as anything more than idle speculation, we need to correct your numbers a bit. The scale of QE2 is approximately 3.5% of U.S. GDP, and I believe this analyst was referring to a 0.5% initial boost in growth rates over the term (though the article is admittedly poorly written), and not trying to quantify net cumulative effects.

In the long run, the benefits to GDP growth will outlast the term of the Fed's program, due to the multiplier effect. You need to be more critical in your analysis.

But the original point was that holding currency is functionally equivalent to holding short term bonds when the interest rate is zero.

Alright, I see what you are saying. Yes, it is conceivable that there could be functional equivalence, as defined by return on investment. But cash is not an investment, and people typically do not hold it as a store of value (even in a money market account), but instead hold it to finance transactions and protect wealth. Even if the case of functional equivalence, people would not see cash as an investment, but as a protection against the risks of the (poorly performing) bond market.

In practice, this sort of environment would incentivize borrowing and provide a disincentive to lend, driving interest rates up quickly. Further, no lender would agree to loan money at a 0% rate of return, and no matter how high bond prices rose yields on positive-return bonds could never, mathematically, fall to 0. The bond market may approach but never reach 0, nominally.

Real rates - after adjusting for inflation, transaction costs, and market risk - can both fall to zero and invert, though.

This is not true when the real interest rate is zero: assuming 2% inflation, riskless bonds pay 2% nominal, cash pays 0% nominal, and bonds are clearly preferable to cash.

I think your misunderstanding the difference between real and nominal rates.

In your example, given 2% inflation, the real return on bonds is 0%, but the real "return" on cash is -2%. You are correct though - bonds here are preferable to cash.

Imagine instead an environment where the yield on bonds was 0% and the inflation rate was 0%. In this case, bonds and cash are functionally equivalent. Are bonds preferable to cash in a profit maximizers mind? No, in fact there's no profit incentive to lend. On the other hand, there is tremendous incentive to borrow. The loanable funds market would tend to zero.
 
  • #53
Forgetting for a moment that I see no reason to regard Mr. Hatzius' comments as anything more than idle speculation, we need to correct your numbers a bit. The scale of QE2 is approximately 3.5% of U.S. GDP, and I believe this analyst was referring to a 0.5% initial boost in growth rates over the term (though the article is admittedly poorly written), and not trying to quantify net cumulative effects.

I would've very much liked to quote a source from stlouisfed.org or newyorkfed.org, but none of them were willing to offer projections with regard to the impact on GDP. There was one article that quantified the impact on long term rates (at 38 to 82 basis points per $1.725 trillion of quantitative easing) and stopped at that.

The projected scale of QE2 is consistently quoted as at least $1 trilion (6.7% of GDP) and potentially $2 trillion (13.3% of GDP). I'm not sure where your 3.5% of GDP number comes from.
 
  • #54
WhoWee said:
I think the next logical questions are as follows:

1.) What will Bernanke's options be if inflation suddenly exceeds estimates before QE-2 is complete - possibly lead by the currently increasing oil prices?

2.) What is the primary indicator that will signal it's time to stop suppressing interest rates. Also, how would this be affected by an unexpected rise in inflation.

3.) How would a hard cap on the Federal debt limit - (assume it requires drastic spending cuts over the next 6 months) impact the interest rate over the next 12 months?

The weekly jobs report showed claims were up and are above the 4 week average. The latest consumer price index is also +1.1%.

http://www.dol.gov/

"Latest NumbersConsumer Price Index (CPI)
+0.1% in November 2010
Unemployment Rate
9.4% in December 2010
Payroll Employment
+103,000(p) in December 2010
Average Hourly Earnings
+$0.03(p) in December 2010
Producer Price Index
+1.1%(p) in December 2010
Employment Cost Index
+0.4% in 3rd Qtr of 2010
Productivity
+2.3% in 3rd Qtr of 2010
U.S. Import Price Index
+1.1% in December 2010
Unemployment Initial (UI) Claims
445,000 in the week ending January 8, 2011
UI Claims 4-Week Average
416,500 in the week ending January 8, 2011

Federal Minimum Wage
$7.25 in Current"


my bold
 
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  • #55
Also:
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110113-704764.html

UPDATE: S&P, Moody's Warn On US Credit Rating Due To Rising Debt
 
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  • #56
inflation

Judging from your experience shopping what do you estimate the inflation rate to be? Does your experience indicate that a rate of zero as reported by the federal government is correct?
 
  • #57


PhilKravitz said:
Judging from your experience shopping what do you estimate the inflation rate to be? Does your experience indicate that a rate of zero as reported by the federal government is correct?

It might be helpful to post a link to the information you've cited?
 
  • #58
?? I have not cited any information. I have asked a question about the life experience of the reads.

The zero is the COLA for social security this year.
see federal government web page http://www.ssa.gov/cola/
 
  • #59
PhilKravitz said:
?? I have not cited any information. I have asked a question about the life experience of the reads.

The zero is the COLA for social security this year.
see federal government web page http://www.ssa.gov/cola/

I'm sorry, that was not clear.
 
  • #60
I don't know.

However, this chart (Commodity Price Index) might give us an idea of what is headed our way. In Dec 2010, we climbed back to February 2008 levels - with a continued upward trend including oil and corn prices.

http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=commodity-price-index&months=300

The Commodity Food Price Index is very near the 20 year high.
http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=food-price-index&months=240

The Crude Oil (petroleum) Price index (aside from the Summer 08 spike) seems to be on a very steady upward trend that began in 1999.
http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=petroleum-price-index&months=240

Perhaps the most telling trend is the Commodity Agricultural Raw Materials Index. We are at a 30 year high.

http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=agricultural-raw-materials-price-index&months=240
 
  • #61
Wow Woowee looks like massive inflation if these price increases work their way into consumer products.
 
  • #62
IMO - the only thing holding inflation back is the interest rate. Now Moody's and S&P are warning the US the AAA rating could be lowered.
 
  • #63
hamster143 said:
The projected scale of QE2 is consistently quoted as at least $1 trilion (6.7% of GDP) and potentially $2 trillion (13.3% of GDP). I'm not sure where your 3.5% of GDP number comes from.

Projected by whom?

The Federal Reserve Board has authorized the bank to purchase up to $600B in Treasurys. This is commonly referred to as QE2 in the media. The actual amount purchased and pledged to be purchased is much less, at approximately $400B.

As for growth impacts, let's do some rudimentary static analysis. Assume a constant multiplier of approximately 2, and that the whole $600B is spent. This means $1.2T in wealth is injected into the economy, and must be absorbed either by price increases or new growth. If the full amount is absorbed by growth, then the economy will expand by $1.2T over 12 months due to the Board's actions, an impressive stimulus by any measure. Again, this is simplistic and rudimentary, but illustrates the point. Obviously, some of that money will be lost in both price increases and buybacks by the Fed as securities come to term. Further, the currency is injected over time, and not all at once.

But this is sufficient to demonstrate the Board's intent.
 
  • #64
talk2glenn said:
As for growth impacts, let's do some rudimentary static analysis. Assume a constant multiplier of approximately 2, and that the whole $600B is spent. This means $1.2T in wealth is injected into the economy, and must be absorbed either by price increases or new growth.

Or consumed by deficit consumption. The 600 billion of federal debt paper that no one would buy that is being "printed" by the federal reserve private bank. In which case there will be zero growth. But at least there will not be 1.2 trillion contraction.
 

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