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@morrobay: thanks for your example in post #15 and the example in the paper. I am sorry, with all due respect, but I am not sure what you are saying here. Are you saying that the outcomes are interdependent, and that they are not dependent on the settings?
Then I would agree, with the caveat that the outcomes may depend on the settings.
I think that there is - in principle - not enough information to establish how the outcomes are created. The situation is symmetrical, so it could go either way. B depends on A and vice versa. However, that is my point: because there is not enough information in principle, that leaves room for the possibility that B (outcomes) depends on A (outcomes/settings). However, because the opposite is also possible, it seems difficult if not impossible to substantiate a claim of causality or even influence.
That said, I think the outcomes depend on the settings, because the correlation depends on the settings. So if one were to rule out 'an effect' (non-locality) one would have to stick with the outcomes depending on the local settings (like you seem to do?). One step further is to suggest that the outcomes might interdepend non-locally (of 'the other' settings), like I do.
Then I would agree, with the caveat that the outcomes may depend on the settings.
I think that there is - in principle - not enough information to establish how the outcomes are created. The situation is symmetrical, so it could go either way. B depends on A and vice versa. However, that is my point: because there is not enough information in principle, that leaves room for the possibility that B (outcomes) depends on A (outcomes/settings). However, because the opposite is also possible, it seems difficult if not impossible to substantiate a claim of causality or even influence.
That said, I think the outcomes depend on the settings, because the correlation depends on the settings. So if one were to rule out 'an effect' (non-locality) one would have to stick with the outcomes depending on the local settings (like you seem to do?). One step further is to suggest that the outcomes might interdepend non-locally (of 'the other' settings), like I do.
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