Inner product of complex vectors

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The discussion centers on the relationship between three complex vectors, a, b, and c, where a and b are orthonormal, and c lies in the same 2D plane as a and b. The conditions provided include the Hermitian inner products aHc = x (real) and bHc = iy (imaginary). Participants conclude that c can be expressed as a linear combination of a and b, specifically c = xa + iyb, leading to the equation |c|² = x² - y². However, the deduction of y from x remains unresolved, as the relationship presents one equation with two unknowns.

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I have three (N x 1) complex vectors, a, b and c.

I know the following conditions:

(1) a and b are orthonormal (but length of c is unknown)
(2) c lies in the same 2D plane as a and b
(3) aHc = x (purely real, known)
(4) bHc = iy (purely imaginary, unknown)

where (.)H denotes Hermitian (conjugate) transpose, i is the imaginary unit and x,y are real numbers.

Given that I know x, can I deduce y?

My hunch is that (without the "purely real/imaginary" statements), these conditions would define y up to an arbitrary complex phase, but the "purely real/imaginary" conditions allow the phase to be known too. However, my reasoning relies on there being some sense of "angle" between a and c and between b and c... such that these angles sum to 90° for the orthonormality condition (1). I don't know if this is valid.
 
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hi weetabixharry! :smile:
weetabixharry said:
(2) c lies in the same 2D plane as a and b

doesn't that mean that c must be a linear combination of a and b ?
 
tiny-tim said:
doesn't that mean that c must be a linear combination of a and b ?

Yes, where I guess the coefficients of the linear combination are complex scalars.
 
weetabixharry said:
Yes, where I guess the coefficients of the linear combination are complex scalars.
From which it follows that y=0?
 
haruspex said:
From which it follows that y=0?

Why?
 
haruspex said:
From which it follows that y=0?

c is a linear combination of a and b:

c = Aa + Bb

for A,B complex scalars.

Therefore, from (3) and (1), A = x
and, from (4) and (1), B = iy

I can't see why y=0

I guess, from this I have:

c = xa + iyb

which is 1 equation in 2 unknowns (y and c)... so I'm stumped.
 
You know facts about aHc, bHc. How can you combine that with with knowing c = Aa + Bb? Actually I was wrong to suggest y=0, but you can at least make progress this way.
 
haruspex said:
You know facts about aHc, bHc. How can you combine that with with knowing c = Aa + Bb? Actually I was wrong to suggest y=0, but you can at least make progress this way.

I combined these in my previous post to write A,B as functions of x,y.
Beyond that, I guess I can say:

|c|2 = x2 - y2
 
Suppose you found a y and c =xa+iyb which satisfied all the conditions. Wouldn't 2y and c' =xa+i2yb also satisfy them?
 
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hi weetabixharry! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)
weetabixharry said:
c = xa + iyb

that's right! :smile:
which is 1 equation in 2 unknowns (y and c)...

so what's the answer to :wink: … ?
weetabixharry said:
Given that I know x, can I deduce y?
 

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