Instantaneous velocity from avg velocity with constant accelartion

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship in one-dimensional kinematics involving average velocity and instantaneous velocity under constant acceleration. The original poster seeks a general equation that does not include acceleration, focusing on the relationship between average and instantaneous velocities over a specified time interval.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various equations related to average velocity, including Vavg = (Vi + Vf)/2 and Vf = Vi + at. They explore substitutions and transformations of these equations to derive the desired relationship.

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Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for manipulating the equations, while others express confusion and uncertainty about the correctness of their derived forms. The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations and approaches being explored.

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There is an emphasis on the need for a general equation without involving acceleration, and participants are grappling with the implications of this constraint as they attempt to prove the relationship.

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Homework Statement


With constant acceleration prove that the average velocity from t1 to t2 =t1 + Δt is equal to the instanous velocity in the middle of the time interval between t1 and t2.

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What I am looking for is a general equation that does not involve accelaration. All I have is position. By the way this is 1-D kinematics so no need for vectors.

The Attempt at a Solution


Tried all sorts of subs with Vavg= (Vi + Vf)/2 and Vavg= Δx/Δt I tried subbing these into many of the other equations such as Vf=Vi+at. I imagine there is some sort of trick to it. This thing is driving me nuts.
 
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KeilB said:
Vavg= (Vi + Vf)/2
Vf=Vi+at
It can be shown this way I believe. Here's a hint:
Vavg= (Vi + Vf)/2
Vavg= (Vi + Vf)/2 - Vi +Vi
Vavg= (Vf - Vi)/2 +Vi
 


Alright still having a hard time. I got it into that form that you mentioned and was able to get Vavg=2Vf-(3at)/2 which there is a t/2 in there. Good sign I suppose but it just doesn't seem right since I am going to have to use a distance traveled to find it. I will play around with it some more but feel I'm coming to dead ends.
 


Can you express in math what it is exactly that you're trying to show? In other word, what equation says "the average velocity from t1 to t2 is equal to the instantaneous velocity in the middle of the time interval between t1 and t2"?
 

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