Instrument using two concave lenses

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential existence and application of an instrument that utilizes two concave lenses. Participants explore the properties of concave lenses compared to convex lenses and their implications in optical systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the existence of an instrument using two concave lenses, noting difficulty in finding information online.
  • Another participant explains that rays passing through concave lenses diverge, providing a link to further information about double concave lenses.
  • A summary mentions that microscopes typically use two convex lenses and telescopes may use a combination of convex and concave lenses.
  • One participant suggests that while two concave lens elements could theoretically be equivalent to two convex lens elements, there are practical reasons for not using more than one diverging element, such as manufacturing challenges and costs associated with concave lenses.
  • The importance of diverging lens elements in high-power systems is noted, particularly in preventing exposure to high irradiance in optical systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and application of two concave lenses in instruments, with no consensus reached on their utility or existence in current optical systems.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of manufacturing concave lenses and the implications for their use in optical systems, but do not resolve the question of whether an instrument using two concave lenses exists.

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Is there maybe instrument using two concave lenses? Tried to google it but found nothing.

Thanks
 
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songoku said:
Summary:: Microscope uses two convex lenses and there is telescope using combination of convex and concave lens.

Is there maybe instrument using two concave lenses? Tried to google it but found nothing.

Thanks

AFAIK, since two concave lens elements can be made equivalent to two convex lens elements by suitable spacing and focal lengths, there is no compelling reason to use more than one diverging element. In terms of manufacturing, concave lenses are much more difficult to form and mount- thin in the middle and sharp angles at the edge- so there are excess costs associated with concave lenses.

That said, use of diverging lens elements is important for high-power systems because there is no intermediate focal point- no part of the optical system is exposed to extremely high irradiance- and you can find diverging lens systems in unstable resonators and amplifier systems.
 
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Thank you very much sysprog and Andy Resnick
 
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