Integral arising in estimation of discrete series

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integral \( f(t;a,b)=\int_a^b\sqrt{t-x^3}dx \) and the quest for a good estimate or closed-form solution for it. The context includes assumptions about the parameters \( a \), \( b \), and \( t \), and the participants explore various methods and approximations related to this integral.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a better estimate for the integral, noting that a simple estimate like \( (b-a)\sqrt{t-a^3} \) is inadequate.
  • Another participant suggests that if a closed solution is not available, they are open to alternative estimation methods and invites others to test the integral using different systems.
  • A different participant presents a specific evaluation of a related integral, \( \int_0^{t^3}\sqrt{t^3-x^3}dx \), providing a result involving the Gamma function.
  • Another participant applies Simpson's rule to estimate the integral, providing a formula and suggesting it should yield reasonable results, while also correcting a potential misunderstanding about the upper bound in a previous post.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on a closed-form solution for the integral, and multiple approaches and estimates are presented without agreement on which is superior.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the parameters \( a \), \( b \), and \( t \) are mentioned, but the discussion does not clarify all necessary conditions or limitations of the proposed estimates.

CRGreathouse
Science Advisor
Homework Helper
Messages
2,832
Reaction score
0
I'm trying to solve
[tex]f(t;a,b)=\int_a^b\sqrt{t-x^3}dx[/tex]
or find a good estimate for it. The problem is 'nice', and so various niceness assumptions apply: [itex]0\le a\le b\le t[/itex] -- and if other assumptions are needed, they probably hold. :D

An example of a bad estimate would be [itex](b-a)\sqrt{t-a^3}[/itex] -- I'm looking for a better, or ideally a tractable closed-form version. Mathematica gives a complicated form that seems to be concerned mostly with the case that [itex]x^3>t[/itex] which will not be the case here.

If it helps, a will be 'close' to 0 and b will be close to t.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Failing a closed solution, any thoughts on a good estimate? Any fans of systems other than Mathematica want to test this integral?
 
Playing around with it a bit, it looks like

[tex]\int_0^{t^3}\sqrt{t^3-x^3}dx=\frac{\Gamma(4/3)}{\Gamma(11/6)}\sqrt{t^5\pi}[/tex]
 
Simpson's rule gives:

[tex]\int^b_0 \sqrt{b^3 - x^3} dx \approx \frac{b}{6} \left( \sqrt{b^3} + 4\sqrt{\frac{7b^3}{8} \right)[/tex]. Should be reasonable? Which reminds me, I think you meant t instead of t^3 as your upper bound in your last post.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 38 ·
2
Replies
38
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K