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Is there a mathematical proof that can prove that the integral is the antiderivative?
The discussion revolves around the relationship between integrals and antiderivatives, specifically exploring whether the indefinite integral can be proven to represent the antiderivative of a function. Participants delve into the fundamental theorem of calculus, the definition of integrals, and various proofs related to the area under curves.
Participants express a range of views on the proofs and explanations provided, with some agreeing on the validity of certain approaches while others question their clarity or completeness. No consensus is reached on a definitive proof or understanding of the relationship between integrals and antiderivatives.
Some proofs rely on the assumption of continuity and the existence of maximum and minimum values on closed intervals, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion also touches on the definitions of definite and indefinite integrals, which may lead to further nuances in understanding.
umm...i tried this out..i Followed pretty much of itHallsofIvy said:A little more generally- assume f(x)> 0 for a< x< b. For any number n, divide the interval from a to b into n equal sub-intervals (each of length (b-a)/n)). Construct on each a rectangle having height equal to the minimum value of f on the interval- that is, each rectangle is completely "below" the graph. Let An be the total area of those rectangles. Since each rectangle is contained in the region below the graph of f, it is obvious that [itex]A_n \le A[/itex] where A is the area of that region (the "area below the graph").
Now do exactly the same thing except taking the height to be the maximum value of f in each interval. Now, the top of each interval is above the graph of f so the region under f is completely contained in the union of all the rectangles. Taking An to be the total area of all those rectangles, we must have [itex]A \le A^n[/itex].
That is, for all n, [itex]A_n \le A \le A^n[/itex]
If f HAS an integral (if f is integrable) then, by definition, the limits of An and An must be the same- and equal to the integral of f from a to b. Since A is always "trapped" between those two values, the two limits must be equal to A: The area is equal to the integral of f from a to b.
That's pretty much the proof given in any Calculus book.
mathwonk said:suppose f is aN INCREASING CONTINUOUS FUNCTION. then the area under the graph between x and x+h is between f(x)h and f(x+h)h,
i.e.f(x)h < A(x+h)-A(x) < f(x+h)h.
satisfy yourself of this by drawing a picture.
now the derivative of that area function is the limit of [A(x+h)-A(x)]/h, as h goes to zero.
by the inequality above, this limit iscaught b etween f(x) and f(x+h), for all h, which emans, since f is continuious, it equals f(x). i.e. dA/dx= f(x).
now in creasing is not n eeded ubt makes it easier.