Integral \int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^2+x^2}dx

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral \(\int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^2+x^2}dx\) as \(n\) approaches infinity. Participants explore various methods for calculating the integral and the implications of interchanging the limit and the integral.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help in calculating the integral and expresses confusion over the limit as \(n\) approaches infinity.
  • Another suggests integrating from 1 to \(t\) and then taking the limit as \(t\) approaches infinity, indicating it is a straightforward example.
  • A participant mentions the need to consider the arctangent function in the evaluation of the integral.
  • There is a discussion about interchanging the limit and the integral, with some participants affirming this approach as necessary for solving the problem.
  • One participant proposes that the answer might be zero and questions the validity of this conclusion.
  • Another participant agrees with the zero result but expresses uncertainty about the proof and the reasoning behind it.
  • Several participants discuss the uniform convergence of the integral and the limit, suggesting that this allows for interchanging them.
  • One participant explores an alternative approach by factoring out \(n^2\) from the integral, indicating that this also leads to a zero result.
  • There is a reiteration of the idea that the definite integral over zero is always zero, contributing to the conclusion that the integral approaches zero as \(n\) increases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a general agreement that the integral approaches zero as \(n\) goes to infinity, but there is no consensus on the method of proof or the implications of interchanging the limit and the integral.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for uniform convergence to justify interchanging the limit and integral, but the specific conditions or definitions required for this are not fully explored.

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Hello,

I'm trying to calculate the following integral,
in the limit that n goes to infinity:

\int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^2+x^2}dx

I would be interested in the answer, but more in the way the answer can be obtained.
I'm rehearsing an old exam, but the first question is already a problem :(.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

edit: i already looked on the internet, and in textbooks on how to accomplish this. But i only find integrals in which n doesn't go to infinity, but is a constant.
 
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Integrate from 1 to t and then limit t to infinity. It's actually a pretty easy example :smile:
 
Perhaps this is more clear:

\int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^2+x^2}dx

If you can find the indefinite, just take the limit afterwards. You should think arctan-wise here...
 
Forgot to mention the following; in the problem it said the limit and integral should be interchanged.
I know the integral of

\frac{1}{(n^2+x^2)}=\frac{1}{a}ArcTan(x/a).

But is this just 'it' ?
 
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I was confused here for a second, I thought you had to use the limit for your boundary to go to infinity. So it's n that has to go infinity as well?

So you mean: \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \int_1^\infty {\frac{1}<br /> {{n^2 + x^2 }}dx} ?
 
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Yes, that's it!
And the limit and integral should be interchanged to solve this problem.

(btw: how do you get the graphics?)
 
Theraven1982 said:
Yes, that's it!
And the limit and integral should be interchanged to solve this problem.

(btw: how do you get the graphics?)
Well I see you already know how to write \LaTeX code, just put it between [ tex ] [ /tex ] -tags, without the spaces then :wink:

Btw, I find 0 as answer, would that be correct?
 
I don't know if it is correct, i think when you would put it in mathematica, it'll give 0.
But why? It certainly makes sense, and the answer isn't unexpected... But how to prove it? Can you just fill in the following formula:

\int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{(n^2+x^2)}=\frac{1}{a}ArcTan(x/a)

This gives zero, but is this the way to go?
 
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Well, I didn't use interchanging limit and integral, but I get 0 as well this way:

\begin{gathered}<br /> \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left( {\int_1^\infty {\frac{1}<br /> {{n^2 + x^2 }}dx} } \right) = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left( {\mathop {\lim }\limits_{t \to \infty } \int_1^t {\frac{1}<br /> {{n^2 + x^2 }}dx} } \right) = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left( {\mathop {\lim }\limits_{t \to \infty } \left[ {\frac{1}<br /> {n}\arctan \left( {\frac{x}<br /> {n}} \right)} \right]_1^t } \right) \hfill \\ \\<br /> = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left( {\mathop {\lim }\limits_{t \to \infty } \left( {\frac{1}<br /> {n}\arctan \left( {\frac{t}<br /> {n}} \right) - \frac{1}<br /> {n}\arctan \left( {\frac{1}<br /> {n}} \right)} \right)} \right) = \mathop {\lim }\limits_{n \to \infty } \left( {\frac{\pi }<br /> {{2\left| n \right|}} - \frac{1}<br /> {n}\arctan \left( {\frac{1}<br /> {n}} \right)} \right) = 0 \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered}
 
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Both the integral and the limit should be uniformly convergent, so you can interchange the two. Definite integral over zero is always zero.
 
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Yes, this is just the way of filling in the integral; but i don't know what changes when you first take the limit. You could equally well take the n^2 outside of the integral:

\int_{1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^2}\frac{1}{1+(x/n)^2}

from which it can also be seen.
But maybe i should be satisfied with this
 
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MalleusScientiarum said:
Both the integral and the limit should be uniformly convergent, so you can interchange the two. Definite integral over zero is always zero.

So you just say: if n goes to infinity, the formula goes to zero, and therefore the integral goes to zero?

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Thanks to all who replied; really appreciated.

W.
 
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